I am looking for some input from the more advance guys. When I say alpha female, I am speaking about the 9's and 10's. These women understand their immense sexual power and freuqently use it to their advantage. Often they are professional cheerleaders/dancers, bottle girls at clubs, instagram models, strippers, the popular girl at school etc.

My experience with said girls is not as frequent because they tend to be more rare. In my experience though I have found that treating like crap, busting their balls, acting unaffected, and at times ignoring them separates one from the heard of thirsty guys. What has been your experience?

More specifically, a "friend" of mine keeps finding ways to contact me and start up conversations over text. She's an instgram model and ex-stripper. In the past we have partied together, and I have boned several of her friends (it has been a year or two since then or since I have seen her). I keep blowing her off, and recently she has become more bold and suggested we hang out. My plan is to stay the course, and then strike hard and fast when we do eventually hang out.

Worth mentioning is that she is aware that I am making waves in the professional/graduate school field. Most recently I went on an all expense paid trip to Las Vegas, courtesy of my successes in the the career field. If there is one thing I know: status, wealth, and the potential to achieve both gets these type of women crawling out of the woodwork.

No such thing as an "alpha female".

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The "9's and 10's can are different" garbage is what prevents you guys from being able to pull them. The friend that you speak about is a perfect example on why this one is giving you the time of day. You have your shit together and you're not falling all over yourself because of how attractive she is. If you understand that when you don't give a girl extra points because of how they look, they cannot hold that "immense sexual power" over you.

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Nah, I use to think there were alpha females. Once I dropped that term I opened my eyes and it's just gorgeous women who know they have options and treat men who give them what they want like shit. Once I got my shit together, I let them know that shit don't fly with me. These girls have been like glue ever since.

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Given that 'alpha female' has no formal definition (short of your simplistic one which solely considered looks), I'll say this: women who are the full package will demand the full package.

If she's competitively-educated and works in a lucrative field, attractive and has hobbies other than internet shopping and social media stalking, you've got to bring it all to the table, too. If you're lacking in one department, you're going to have to compensate (possibly over-compensate) in another department to have a shot. There's no tricks, shortcuts, 'text game' or witty lines.

The bigger challenge is figuring out what you actually offer in those departments, objectively.

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I use the term "alpha female" for brevity sake. I did not think we would get caught up in very specific details, though it looks like we more or less agree.

This only applies for girls who want long term relationships or marriage with specific kinds of men. For short term relationships, the same kind of women will go for the guy who can only bring his goodlooks, muscles, boldness and/or cock on the table.

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Pretty much the bold part. I've said some raunchy shit to some hot chicks and they dug it. They knew I wasn't long term material but they were open to the short term fling.

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Disagree with all of this. The five basic principles, and the laws of attraction and science supersede vocation, religion, and other human-imposed societal constructs.

You either want to rip each other's clothes off, or you don't.

People who are out of shape an d/or unattractive (low social value) will construct long "lists" of what they want in a partner and focus on that, rather than on focusing on their own attractiveness (gym time, diet, etc), and seeing what the world brings them when they take care of themselves properly.

The focus, simply, is to be attracted to each other at a very high level, and to have fun and spark positive feelings with each other.

That's it.

I will dump, and friend-zone any woman, immediately if they come at me with anything other than the above.

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Thanks for your informative posts.

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lol, I'm cut form the same cloth. Some women just melt when you talk to them extremely dirty.

Y'all give these women too much power.


Everything you've described as coming from this "immense sexual power" doesnt amount to anything. Lol, this same mentality of calling these chicks "alpha females" is the same mentality that guys will call the loser bouncer an "alpha male" when he lives in his parents basement and will be doing the exact same thing 20 yrs from now.

I only bring this alpha point up because you discredit your own accomplishments which you work for, when you're propping these women up as something special. She's hot and an instagram model (pls can we stop propping up instagram models like it means something) and ex stripper. You're making you own moves in something way way way more difficult and that actually provides value. This kind of prizing and the 9's and 10's have so much power bs, is just how you set yourself up for over working for a chick that has nothing besides whats between her legs to offer. She wants to hang out, set something up and bang. Keep in the back of your head that this chick isnt on your level and you'd do better than trying to play some game to bang an ex stripper. Treat her like a stripper. Not this low key admiration for her having a 100k followers on instagram which doesnt pay bills.

Yeah, but if the "loser bouncer" is still getting 20-somethings and having threesomes, and the career-focused guy is watching TV and jerking off, or hanging with his obese wife, the loser bouncer IS the alpha male in that context.

Career, IMHO, has nothing to do with alpha-ness. Knowledge, self-awareness, and how you carry yourself does.


This is true. There is a risk of this. However, 9's and 10's have experienced life differently than others, and therefore will respond in different ways. Mostly, they have a super-abundance mentality that only celebrities obtain.

I don't think it's wrong to approach them with these facts in mind, but one has to be certain not to have that bleed into a "pedestal effect". Because then you're fucked.

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Are you saying that a guy that is focused on his career doesn't have the ability to date hot women in their twenties? This must be a small town phenomena. I've lived in a number of big cities and attractive women respond pretty much the same way. Bar and club girls have more of a wall up but that's for a number of reasons that are abundance mentality related but not directly because of abundance.

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No because the loser bouncer isnt supporting himself. You cant be "alpha" and living off of parents. If your bills are paid for by others, the guy with the obese wife is more man in that scenario. He's supporting himself.
What super abundance? Guys are trying to fuck them. Lame / stupid guys are trying to wife them. Thats not abundance. Would a guy with his shit in order treat her as more than a fuck toy? No. These women have poor man's abundance. Few, and I mean very few hot chicks can even support themselves financially. And the guys willing to support them are losers. Why do you think you wouldnt hear "Ryan Gosling" marries instagram model/ex stripper. Sure, a 40 something year old desperate dude will take these women seriously, but a guy with shit in order is going to treat these women as a fuck toy. Thats not abundance. They dont get high levelshit. High level guys are going to demand more. Who is flying them around the world or buying them shit. The lame rich guy who looks like the crypkeeper who she has to hold back from throwing up to touch his hand. Thats not abundance.