So I was out at the bar last night for St. Patty's day. I went out by myself because all my friends are bums and they didn't feel like going out. Whatever though. I did 2 sets last night, I kinda screwed both of them up, but I messed the second one up more. To keep this post short, I'll just get to the 2nd sarge story.

After my first sarge, I almost went home, but then I decided that I was being a pussy because it was early, and it was St. Patty's day, so I went to the next bar that I never chill at. I didn't really know anyone there at first, but I ended up meeting people and having a good time while hanging around the pool table.

Anyway, I eventually see these 2 single girls sitting by themselves at the bar eyeing me up. I immediatly acted on the 3s principle, and walked right up to them. I asked them where to get the hats they were wearing (st. patty's day hats). That was a good opener. The chicks were flirting with me like crazy, and everything was going good. These girls were really ditsy though, which made them not so attractive anymore. Whatever, I wanted to get my first ever #close as practice, so I kept talking to them.

Well, after talking to them for a while I was trying to think about how to get one of their numbers. They started to tell me about this shore house that they had for the summer, so I asked them if I could go stay at their shore house (that was going to be my bridge into getting their number). They were like, "You have to pay, blah blah blah". I responded with, "I'll just bring tons of beer, sound good?" They looked at each other as if they were considering the possiblity. I stuck on the subject of staying at their shore house for too long though.

Eventually, this shore house topic got old and boring. At the time, I didn't really think to change the subject, so I decided it was a good time to eject from the conversation. The problem was that I left them thinking that I was a total dick, and here's why:

The one chick said something about how hot she was, so I said, "Oh ya? Take off your hat, and let me see how hot you are." I took her hat off and stared at her as I was trying to think of a neg to give her, but I didn't say anything because I couldn't think of anything. I just kinda gave her a face that said "Eh...you're alright." I didn't actually say it, but that was the face I gave. That basically came off in a really bad way. I kinda felt bad about that one, lol.

Immediately after that, I started to get the feeling that I was fucking it up too much and losing my cool, so I decided to end it right there without getting thier number. I just said, "I'm gonna go play pool now, okay." "See you guys later."

They ended up giving me this dirty look like they were really pissed off at me (I really didn't care anyway, they were corny girls that I was practicing on anyway). It was a really bad vibe though. It wasn't something that I could have fixed by going up and talking to them again.

So, in short. I opened perfectly - followed 3s rule, immediatly started conversation and gained their interest. I kept it going for a little while nice and smoothly. Then the conversation went dull because I was trying to figure out how to get their phone number. I then ended up just leaving without saying something nice like "nice to meet you". Also, I never escalated past the basic fluff talk. I was thinking today, that I probably should have started doing some risky sex talk just to see what would happen rather then being boring and staying in the comfort zone.

So, I started out good, but then I didn't know what to do after that. What would you guys have done differently? Also, when there's 2 or more girls, and you want a phone number, how do you ask? Do you get both of their numbers, or do you just pick one of them and get their #?

Good job on the two sets. Im not really sure what a shore house is so im going to guess its a house at the beach. This would be how you could have approached the shore house subject. Remeber too keep your energy up as well.

HBS: Yeah we have a shore house for the summer.
newman: Awesome! So when I come stay with yall for a few weeks Ill make sure to bring plenty of beer and my volleyball/fishing rod/boogieboard/rubber duck floaties.

(Just whatever you can to start to dhv. You have to have a story to go along with it of course, and be very alpha by basicall assuming that you will see them again instead of asking to see them again. We will use volleyball)

HBS: Volleyball awesome! We can definetly play.
newman: I love to play beach volleyball! Its awesoem physical activity and helps with my tan. This reminds me of a time when I was playing with a some random people on the beach and our team beat what looked like to be a bunch of coligate athletes. Ya gotta watch out cause i have a wicked serve.

(go into a DHV story and begin to escalte the kino. This will help build comfort and all three of you will begin to imagine hanging out for the summer)

I hope this helps, I think if you concentrate on looking for more IOI's and work towards building more comfort the # close will happen. It sounded like you put too much emphasis on the #.

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Wow, thanks man! That would have been a much better way to approach things. That definately was not cool asking them if I could stay at thier place. I have to remember to be more alpha about things, but hey at least it was a learning experience.

I started out kickin ass, but then I kind of lost it. I just wish I would have exited with pride rather then with a negative vibe. I should have just said, "Hey, it was nice meeting you guys, I'm gonna go shoot some pool now."

The way I exited was no good.

So I guess the number thing should just naturally, I shouldn't be thinking about it as my goal. If I did a good job, then they should just be offering it.

Well, thanks again.

I think you could have handled one situation better.

When they said you have to pay, you shouldn't have offered to bring beer. You're essentially saying "I'll bring you this gift, if you allow me to hang out with you."

Instead, you could have turned it around. Something like this:

Girls: "You have to pay."
PUA: "Since when does the Gigolo pay to offer his services?"

Not only do you inject sexual innuendo, but you make it seem like you're doing them a favor by gracing them with your presence. Plus, it's funny to boot.

HaHa, I like that one too. These chicks appeared hot at first, but when I met them, they really weren't hot anymore. I still wish I would have handled the situation better because I wanted to treat it the same way is if it was a girl (or girls) that I was really interested in.

Hey, it's only really my 2nd night out sarging, so I'll write it off as experience. It's amazing how much you learn during each sarge.

Thanks for the reply bro!

I agree with blak000. I love the gigiloo line:lol:

Its almost like you have a checklist to go through. Honestly, you can write it down on a small piece of paper in your own code or whatever just to remind yourself. I used to have my whole sales routine written down until it just became natural. I would constantly go back and forth looking at it just to reminds myself on the steps. Go through and make a list of things that need to be done. I know you want to do it naturally, but haveing a set system to do it until it becomes natural really helps.

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What is the set system that you are referring to?

My system is basically just to get used to approaching girls and maintaining conversation with them for now. While in conversation, I make it a point to try and avoid going into AFC mode as much as possible. Sometimes (as you can see in my OP), I obviously forget to maintain the alpha attitude, but I have a feeling that that will come more naturally over time with practice.

This is kinda how i look at it. There is no set way, but its like a checklist that I go though. Im still a noob, but its what I try to keep in mind. If you always have the number close on your mind than you might end up forgetting something. Im sure the mpuas have a much better system/set up than me. This is just what I try to remeber and work towards.

Open
Neg target
DHV
kino
Build comfort and rapport
escalate kino
Look for 3 IOI's
more kino
isolate target
close


Watch Cajun in this episode of keys to the VIP. Its systematic, but it comes off so natural. See how he demonstrates higher value, escalates kino and then closes.


[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=3a4uPpMbVhY[/youtube]

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Interesting. I like your system. I'm still working on some of the steps now, but hopefully I'm able to lay a few chicks along the way before I have the system mastered.

Thanks bro!