I would make out in the club if I had the night for me and I could push it further than the make-out, that is, take her somewhere and get to sex. I wouldn't if I knew we'd be separated soon and that would just release the sexual tension that's been building up. That being said, short make-out is better than long one because that would keep the sexual tension going (I let you enjoy the candy for just a moment, but before you know it I'm taking it away from you).

Your mistake? You didn't go as far as you could. That's just it. You could have gone for a kiss, could have gone for a number. That's it. Next time do it.

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I think isolation and comfort building is the key here.

If you get the initial escalation you want to bounce her to a location where you can sit down and escalate/comfort build away from friends.

The "lets go get a drink" usually works, but you HAVE to ensure that your friends are comfortable with her leaving with you.

Then escalate a bit - let her sit on your lap, put your mouth close to hear ear/neck when breathing, talking and breathe onto her ear/neck, make your lips brush those areas, touch legs etc.

Eye contact is important here as well.

All of this allows you to get the contact information, escalate as much as necessary, etc.

Also, do NOT be afraid to display your sexuality. You don't have to say "I want to fuck you" (although you can, depending on the mood) but stroking, circling, etc motions on sensitive areas will send the message.

A few things here:
1. Eye contact
2. Confidence
3. Calibration

Make eye contact so that she KNOWS you're there. Confidently approach. Her micro responses (facial expression, body language) will almost immediately tell you how how comfortable she will be with you approaching and dancing with her. Sometimes, though, she will give a somewhat disapproving look - PLOW THE FUCK THROUGH. Be prepared for her to move away, but be just as prepared that your assured, confident demeanor will make her make peace with your dancing and she'll enjoy it.

It's a tricky game, and one that you have to be prepared to lose a few times to win. Most importantly is NOT showing fear

Great work. Even though you didn't get the makeout, your skills continue to improve.

When I started going out regularly (2-3 times per week), i'd try things. Try different outfits, try different lines.
For the first month, I bombed. A LOT.

Then one day, a girl came up, asked me for a drink. I wasn't particularly attracted (she was overweight) but I gave it the "what the hell attitude", played along, had a good time. Almost out of nowhere, we started making out.

That BLEW MY FUCKING MIND. I'd never made out with a girl minutes after meeting her.

For another two months, I continued working. Continued to talk to random people. I didn't get any more makeouts for those two months.

Then another night, it happened again. Almost out of nowhere, I had another makeout.

From there on, I had makeouts almost EVERY night I went out. `I got slowed down primarily because I went into a relationship a few weeks after, so I never got the chance to develop a same night lay game

You HAVE to keep going, practicing, trying, and experimenting. It will take a few months but eventually you WILL get it. You have already come pretty far in a short space of time.

Thanks, ChocolatePUA.

It definitely seems like isolation/physical escalation is where I likely went wrong. Or even just keeping it as it was but planting the seed of doing something after the club. Hell, even just taking her number would have been wise!

I was maybe kind of overwhelmed, thinking about too much.

Even though i've had a few makeouts and stuff since ACTIVELY trying to implement game when I began around 9 months ago (and of course the one SameNightLay on one of my first every approaches), lots of them more 'successful' occasions felt more like luck in terms of the girl happening to find my physically attractive and kissing me without any comfort being built or me really doing anything at all in terms of game, and it felt more hollow. (like with the fairly hot Hungarian girl some pages back who jumped my bones without me even talking to her)

This night was one of maybe 4 occasions where I felt as though i'd manged to kind of build attraction through 'game' - Making her laugh, spiking her emotions, teasing her, trying to keep the conversation going, physically escalating out of nowhere a little etc. Plus she was well over a decade younger than me and was pretty much what I wanted, so the pressure was on. The other one that fits into this criterai was teh one where I went back to the girls house but decided not to stay with her after making out.

I really need more reference experiences a bit like these in order to get better I think, but as you are probably aware from reading, I get lots of 'instant rejections' and so it's very hard to actually 'learn on the job' most nights!

It's interesting looking back that the whole thing also wasn't very smooth at all in patches (especially at the beginning/the open/approach) yet I was able to kind of win her around a little bit at least. My observational opener about her ''two phones'' kind of bombed (even my brother mentioned this to me later, lol) and as soon as that conversational thread ran out, I kind of got stuck in my head and there was an awkward silence for too long!

I put pressure on myself to think of something funny/spike her emotions soon after opening, like Tylerrsd seems to be able to do, but I can't often think of anything, and i'm also weary of falling into 'chode question' mode which is maybe why I just sat there like a dickhead after my opening thread kind of ran it's course!
luckily I was able to recover it a little bit, but it was a bit lucky since she told me she was an air hostess, and I had some 'natural material' that I used about air hostesses that lead to a funny conversation, but if she'd have told me she had a different job, I think i'd have been like 'cool', and the convo would have died again!

I was able to get her laughing lots in the queue for the club when we saew them again, andfrom that point is where she was showing lots of interesting, asking me to dance, meet her friends, come outside with er etc.

Not to be pessimistic, but usually after a *somewhat* positive night, I tend to have an ego destroying night of harsh, instant rejections! Lets see how I get on this weekend!

Regarding the instant rejections - i'm Thinking of experimenting with some 'opinion openers'! Are they still valid?

I haven't kept s spreadsheet of my openers, but i'm honestly tempted to start tracking it! But it seems that a direct opener on UK girls just get's sucked into their inflated ego (from online compliments all day I guess) and then they dismiss you. I've had maybe 4 positive reactions (and one makeout) from a direct open out of lots of them. Usually they look at you as if to say ''Obviously I know i'm hot!' and then walk away, lol. I opened one girl with 'marry me!'. She said 'why?'. I said 'Because you're super cute!''. She looked genuinely shocked and please and later that night just walked upto me, and we made out.

Observational openers where I comment on a girls clothes or something she is doing or whatever is maybe my most common 'go too', but often girls are kind of startled and clam up (like the girl who turned into a mute after I made a friendly comment about her coat)

The old 'just say hi!!' or ''Say hi and introduce yourself!'' advice is almost certainly my most least successful opener, I think (even though US guys say it's their best) UK girls wonder what the hell you want and certainly won't reply with their name like US girls seem too. I actually read an interesting artice from lovesystems recently - one of te first ones to acknowledge the difference between US and UK cultures and how it effects game.

I'd say my most successful openers are probably ridiculous openers - such as pretending you recognise the girl from some obviously fake event, ot pretending to be her blind date for the night, or pretending to be a police officer etc! Obviously I still get some harsh rejections from these, but I tend to get more positive reactions. But at the same time, I hate using thses kind of openers in a way because it just feels wrong to need to open in such a weird way in order to have a better shot at getting into a conversation with a giril!

I'm also slightly annoyed at myself for bottling opening the table of 4 girls the other night. It was mainly a lack of balls, but I also didn't really know how to open them. Open them as a group? Open the target? Some sort of observational opener? In general I read that it's best to pick your battles wisely and just go for girls on their own and who are maybe showing you IOI's as opposed to a big group of girls sitting down who haven't even looked at you!

I also notice that from watching infields, lots of approaches aren't really 'approaches' in teh traditional sense - as in, guy spots hot girl from across the bar, walks over to her, taps her on the shoulder and starts speaking. Maybe I should have positioned myself near them first for a while and tried to force and IOI or something. It's like it's the 'he's walking towards me'' bit in a girl mind that most pua guys seem to be able to avoid in favour of a 'we just happened to meet EACH OTHER! I didn't go out of my way to meet you'' kind of feel

Nothing to add from the weekend, unfortunately.
I did go out for a while, but I swear my drink was spiked! LOL. I legit don't remember much about most of the night and I didn't drink anymore than usual. Also didn't even have a hangover! bizarre. I do remember the earlier part of the night, and Approach anxiety seems to have got a little worse again, recently. I remember seeing a couple of absolute stunners, but I pussied out!

Also started doing a temping job near a high school. Tonnes of 16-18 year olds. I my God. It's torture. They did NOT look and dress like that when I was at school!! Unbelievable. Don't think I could find the balls to approach a girl half my age.....outside a school.....in the day time.....in the UK where cold talking to strangers just isn't teh done thing, but man, they look good! I've never tried a daytime approach, either.

Was quite funny when an absolute Worldie teenager (16-17 at a guess) was walking around, and all of teh guys working at the car wash all just stopped and drooled, and tapped each other, lol. They were even older than me by the looks of it!!

I guess it'd be like ''I saw you, thought you looked cute, wanted to say hi'. Make an assumption about them? Ask what they are up too today and then just try to get the number. I don't imagine they'd really talk back.

AA has been bad recently, but made an attempt to fight it head on and took action last night

I made about 15 approaches, but lots of them were short sets, instant blowouts, non verbal openers etc, so i’ll report on the few that stick out in my head.


Approach 1 – was dancing in a bar and there’s two hotties next to me. I open with a mystery method opinion opener. (recently completed the book off of the back of a recommendation on this site). She starts to talk a little but is being quite laconic. I remember to involve her friend and high five her and introduce myself. The thread ends and she isn’t talking. This is usually where I bail, but I tried my hardest to ‘plough’. I start to make a few assumptions about her and try to tease her. She laughs, but again, she isn’t talking. I ask her what she is up too tonight and ask her how she knows her friend. I” trying my best to ‘plough’ and not let the conversation die, but it’s a bit like talking too a chair at this point. I struggle on, though! At this point they both just turn away from me and walk outside.



Approach 2 – Walk in too a different bar. Spot a hot black girl standing with a friend. I look at her, point at her and say ”I want that one!!!”. Kind of a ‘self amusing opener”. She smiles. I offer my hand out. She takes it and I pull her towards me. I say ”Do you like white boys?!!” She laughs and is like ”I guess”. I say, ”Cool. ‘Cos i’m super white….I can’t dance….I’m good at math.”.. She laughs. I say ”Who are you?!”. We speak a little bit.Do the usual getting to know you stuff. I think I threw in my ‘mystery’ style opinion opener (even though it wasn’t the open, but I think you are allowed to do that in order to help the convo along). I t felt like it was going rather well. Then some guy turned up and she looked at me and said ”I’m with him!”. haha. Big guy, too. I laughed and high fived him. He was actually friendly, and then they both went and sat down


Approach 3 – Spot another girl. I look at her and smile and just say ”hi!…I’m Chris. I’m pisces. I like long walks on the beach”. It was just what came into my head. I didn’t want to use canned openers ALL night. She laughed and introduced herself. I done some assumption stacking and also asked her a few questions about herself, but the set just never ‘took off’. She never asked me anything about myself. Don’t know if I could have done more, or whether I was simply flogging a dead horse and she would never have been into me no matter what I said/done. It fizzled out.


Approach 4 – Interesting one. I made a Field report a while back about a girl who I met in a bar in a different town – done well with, then went back to her house where we made out and she asked me if I was staying. I didn’t stay because I couldn’t afford to get home by myself as I was away from where I live and shared a cab with my friends. Anyway, I saw her again! She recognised me! I grabbed her and instantly flirted. It was easy because we actually had something to talk about and we spoke a lot about the last time we met. She accused me of not remembering her and said I was ‘a player’, lol. I was ramping up the kino LOTS. I was also thinking about my mistakes last week with a different girl where I never seeded the pull or went for the kiss – both of which I feel hurt me. So I asked her whether she had any drink at her place, trying to kind of invite myself back. I isolated her, and we carried on talking, and I went for the kiss and she turned her head, Denied. If you read the last FR with this same girl, you’ll see she done this that time as well until my 2nd attempt where she complied. We went and danced with her friends..
She was slowly paying me less and less attention. I started talking too her more attractive friend. She was very pretty indeed! Just done some light flirting. Just being fun and physical with her. Anyway, the whole group then decided to go home. I think I might have made another last ditch effort to invite myself back, but no luck!


End of night. Happy that I found my balls, I guess.

*Possibly* going to London this weekend. We shall see. Never tried gaming there before.

Any input on my latest FR is welcome, as always!

Haven't read the whole post so it might have been said already, but it seems like you are putting to much emphasize on different openers and routines and I fear that it comes out rehearsed and unnatural.

Instead you should focus on you general vibe and humor and act more natural. Easier said than done, but I think that all those lines are blocking your mind for the creativity needed to keep a good conversation going for longer periods (while of course escalating)

Anyway good luck and keep your head up high! You are trying to change and open to failure and that is a major step towards getting girls.

Ventured out to London last night. Had high hopes, but it was an aweful night in terms of 'game'.

Not much of a Field Report to post really, since there's just not much to mention in terms of teh interactions.

I opened a Canadian girl in one bar, tried teasing her and stuff but she told me pretty quickly that she had a fiance.

I opened another girl in a club who also turned out to be Canadian. She had one friend with her who was busy hooking up with some random guy. I tried gaming her, but she was just not responsive. She didn't leave, but I think that's just because she couldn't really since her friend was busy getting dry-humped so after I ran out of material I bailed on her.

I opened a girl on a Hen night. Asked her which of her friends were getting married. She pointed at her friend, but I couldn't get her to talk to me, really. I made assumptions' about her and stuff, but she didn't bite at all. Was mildly awkward

I opened a couple of older women who were some what responsive, but I didn't actually even find them attractive. I just wanted to keep the momentum going.

The only remotely positive interaction (which was also a very short one) was the second I walked into the club, going down teh stairs, and made eye contact with a pretty young thing. I pointed at her and smiled. I stopped her. Asked her who she was. Spun her around and then hugged her and she complied with everything. But she was on her way out as I was going in and her friends were calling for her to hurry up

I got one of my harshest ever dancefloor rejections too, lol. Some girl in a group kept kind of half grinding against me. I kind of put my hand on her hip and then she spun around, slapped my hand as hard as she could, and then pushed me with all her force! I didn't really care but for the fact that my friends all saw and laughed, lol!

Sight seeing:

I did see some of the prettiest girls i've ever seen last night, though! When I first got there, there was a group of Russian girls. They looked about 17-18, and they were all 10's. All with their young boyfriends.

I saw a barman who probably gets laid every night running his game which was fun to watch. Looked lke he had a system for banging tourists in his bar! He jumped into thheir photo when they were taking one, told his bar staff to 'cover him' (they looked at him like he does this every night) and then he started chatting the girl up and kinoing her, and then got her a free drink. I wish I could have evesdropped in on his conversation to learn what he says/talks about.

I also saw a blonde STUNNER who I keep thinking about in the club.She was part of the hen night group I mentioned before I think. She had on like a sports bra and looked like a model. Gorgeous face/eyes/teeth. Young too! Some guy was all over her. I thought he'd ruined it for himself since he was so KEEN/needy? She pulled away first on every kiss. Every time he went straight back in, hands all over her. I thought he'd ruined it, but then I saw him grab her hand and march her off somewhere. Player!! Hopefully he banged her in the tiolets or something. I don't imagine she would have left her friends for the night since they were on a hen night, but who knows...

thanks for your input.
It can be confusing because other pickup guys on a blog where ive posted some field reports in the past tell me that I need much MORE structure and that I need to start memorizing MORE lines and use the mystery method etc and be aware of A1, A2, A3 etc etc. But that will surely put me 'in my head' more than ever!!?
The thought of constantly assessing the interaction and monitoring what 'stage' of the interaction i'm in, and thus what 'material' I need to say and stuff is not nice! I have a bad memory, too!

I think, as you say, I start to worry about needing to use routines etc, because there seems to be a pattern of not being able to 'hook' the girls. I open, say some stuff, and she says 'bye'. So I think, 'the stuff i'm saying isn't good enough' and start to wonder exactly what I should say at the open, and more importantly, what I should follow it up with in order to be 'fun' and entice the girl to want to stick around


I'll keep trying. Getting close to 1/4 of teh way through the year. 3/4 of it left to try to get laid.

Will start teh 'shooting for one lay in 2018' journal next year!

But i'll be too old soon to even have a shot at the young girls that I like, so can't keep the journal going forever!!

cheers

Since you do night game a lot, read on 60 years of challenge, it should be free all over the internet. Don't pay for most of the RSD craps. They do have some useful tips from time to time but mostly just for profit and marketing purpose. You'll learn more from a more experience PUA in person. If you can, find one in this forum who is in the same city with you and go game with him or find a pua group in your city. You can learn a lot just by watching them game also.

Focus on your body languages, non verbal seduction skills and how to control your frame since you wont talk much in night game environment. And I cant believe I say this but avoid drunk girls. Sure you can lay them easily but it won't help your game. Not in the long run.

How old are you when you pulled the 19 years old? And if you could write a LR about that, people in the forum could help you pick our your shortcomings.

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Are you setting yourself up for failure consciously? Or are you coming to that realization from the outtakes of your approaches? Either way that's no mindset to sarge at no matter how good you are at faking confidence

Even Mystery admits that 1- his method is most suitable for 9s and 10s and that you actually have to tone it down and micro calibrate when you deal with anything lower. and 2- gambits or canned material are meant for two things, beginners who are still getting used to talking to attractive women, or as go to material when the SPAM starts to get dull. Even styles -and his then gf- agree that all the MM are just tools that put you in a better frame so that you can display your own personality.

If it's the only thing you have, you're not a pua, you're a mystery and style's clone. Women can sense that shit, they're evolutionary made to detect incongruence in any male potential mate.

If I were a guessing man, I'd say that even with all the approaches you did you're still not comfortable around attractive women -not AA, but actively being locked in the set-. Try something that'll sound a little challenging on a subconcious level for you. Go out tonight, open sets and crash and burn every.single.time on purpose just for the experience. If that doesn't change your gloomy perspective a little nothing will

I’d spent all week memorising various routines for opening/transition/attraction from the mystery method handbook so that I at least couldn’t have the excuse of ‘lack of a plan/structure’, or just plain doing everything completely wrong!

My plan was to open lots of sets and really give myself a clue as to whether the routines route would help me at all – However, kind of didn’t really get the chance to do that because the first set that I opened lasted like all night!

It was kind of weird.I was a the bar and I noticed a pretty young girl next to me who was paying for her drinks. Her purse was a Cath Kidston one. I recognised the design as I used to sell some of their stuff on ebay.

I opened her ”Hey…Is that a Cath kidston purse?” She was unusually receptive and started talking about it. This never happens

Now, at this point I often fuck up, but I thought i’d practice breaking rapport and kind of negging soon off of the open as was suggested.

I said ”I can’t talk to you anymore. I hate Cath Kidston” and half turned my back on her. She looked kind of shocked but amused. She was like ”Why?!!”.

Now, at this point i’m completely winging it and talking complete shit, but it seems to be working. I made up some stupid fake story on the spot about being ripped off and losing money from getting involved with the company. It didn’t even make sense but it didn’t seem to matter.

Then I went into a couple of mini routines asking her about her drink and what your drink says about you as a person. I also broke rapport again my insulting her for drinking vodka and going into a short story about drinking too much of it on a holiday once.

Anyway, she’s been given her drinks from the barman and says ”I have to get back to my sister! Bye!” and smiled. I thought ‘damn, I probably won’t see her again, but that was a very good interaction in my eyes”.

So some time passes, me and my friends take a seat, and then this same girl and her sister sit near us. I look at her, and re-open her and accuse her of stalking me. She laughs. At this point I fall into a conversation with her sister who is also really nice and friendly and we kind of hit it off. She is like ”I’ve heard about you! My sister told me about meeting you at the bar earlier”
After a while I go back to the original, hotter , younger girl.

BASED ON A MIXTURE OF MY OWN INSTINCTS AND THE INPUT/ADVISE HERE My main thing at the moment is to work in more kino, more sexualising conversation, and better at hooking after the open
So i’m kinoing her quite a lot at this point already. touches on the arm and stuff to emphasise a point. She asks me what I do and I tell her i’m a professional thumb wrestler and I take her hands. I use 2 hands and cheat to beat her straight away which makes her laugh.

I tell them that we are moving on and I tell them to come with us. There’s a little bit of resistance, but i’m like ”Come on Up you get! We;re going” and they come with us.
We go too a different bar. She disappears for a little while and I give her some space.
We find each other again. I kind of isolate her..

I’m giving her crazy eye contact and looking at her lips and stuff since, as mentioned, I feel that one of my sticking points is showing intent’. I also leave an awkward pause on purpose. Usually I hate silence, but I saw a vid where they mention the power of sexual tension through silence/eye contact – I got a slightly unexpected reaction and she kind of called me out on it and said something like ”why are you looking at me like that?” I just smiled and carried on talking..

Then she accused me of fancying her sister. I kind of ignored her and went into a little routine where I let her ask me any 3 questions she wants too and I HAVE to tell the truth. This was to practice sexualising conversation – So I pre-empted it my kind of saying ”It can be about ANYTHING!!…my favourite food, my porn collection, my fantasies”. She asked me a few sexual questions. I lied to make myself sound more sexually experienced. She asks me what sort of girls I like and I say ”Girls like you…but with darker hair”. She cracks up. I compliment her on her blue eyes. Then I ask if I can touch them purely for self-amusement purposes. It always makes me laugh to see peoples reaction to saying that.

We’ve been heavily kinoing a fair bit now. I’m grabbing her hips and playing with her hair and shit. Also done some dancing. I haven’t kissed her yet. I feel as though I possibly could, but i’m still unsure as to whether one SHOULD kiss when trying to pull. It seems logical, but I mainly read nowadays that you possibly DECREASE you chances of pulling if you makeout. We also weren’t isolated, and I didn’t want to go for the kiss in front of her sister and my friends and stuff.

But It’s getting late now. I’m sure I fucked up here somehow, but I don’t have any practice in terms of logistics/seeding the pull etc etc as most of my interactions are like 25 seconds long! I’m a little out of my depth here. The sisters are talking about going home. I try the Julien ‘afterparty!’ line and lie about going back to an apartment near by and tell them to come.
I maybe didn’t try hard enough or sell it enough, but they seemed insistent on going home. IN particular the sister of my target.

Maybe I should have told the girl to come back with me in isolation under the pretense of hearing me play the guitar or something. Fuck knows,
The girl says to me ”Aren’t you going to ask for my number?!!”. I actually end up giving her mine as opposed to asking for hers which is a stupid move, but I was probably drunk by now!
However, she texted me soon after.

So that’s basically it. Certainly a ‘success’ of sorts, at least by my standards! I have a pattern of alternating between half decent FR’s and extremely depressing ones, so expect a shocking FR next time where i’m getting drinks lobbed in my face!
thoughts? Should I have gone for the kiss? How could I have done a better job of getting her back to mine or going back to hers? I definitely feel as though I messed up there, but not sure what I should have done. I know she lived closed. I don't know if they lived together. Maybe I should have somehow invited myself back to her place

Sounds like a real success actually!

I think you should have tried to isolate somehow (go to the bar, go out to the smoking section) then asked for the kiss. It really differs from situation to situation about going for the kiss - some maybe ok with it, and others not.

For the same night lay, I'd suggest that you would definitely want to have noticeable sexual tension before really pushing things. If she's not contemplating having sex that night, it's less likely (though NOT impossible) that she'd be going home with you that night (or vice versa).

Be forthright and confident in suggesting hanging out for the SNL without being pushy. If it's clear that she's not interested that night, it makes no sense to try to force her to change her mind.

Cheers. I actually read that book a year or so back.

Maybe it's another UK/US difference, but lots of our 'nightgame' is in bars and pubs as opposed to crazy dancelubs where you can't hear yourself speak. So there's actually a hell of a lot of talk in my nightgame environments.
It was only like 9 months ago, so I was like 30.

In brief, I had just finished reading my first ever pickup book that day (magic bullets).
Headed out too a bar with 3 friends. Spotted 2 cute girls sitting down. My friend dared me too approach them. I went over by myself. Sat down at their table and said ''Sorry i'm late...'' to the target. She smiled and asked what I meant, and I told her I was her tinder date for the night. We roleplayed this for about 5 minutes. Then I told her that I thought she was cute. I also spoke to her a friend a bit about her upcoming marriage. Eventually my friends came over to join me. After a while the targets friend says that she is leaving and asks her friend (my target) what she wants to do. She said she wants to stay for a bit longer. My friends all go home. It's just me and her now. I take her to the bar and order us a very strong, large cocktail to share. I get her nicely drunk! I then tell her that we are leaving to go back to mine. She doesn't put up much of a fight. I get us a cab. Get out of the cab and during the short walk back to mine, stop her, push her up against a fence and makeout. Then get back to my house. Take her upstairs. Makeout/eat her out/fuck. I later found out that she had just been dumped by her boyfriend like one day before, and so luck was really on my side that day.

As for my short-comings....The most obvious one to me is basically 'hooking' the girl, especially when I have nothing canned/scripted. There's obviously others, but it's not worth worrying about being able to close if I can't even get much past the open without her rejecting me for example.

I was able to hook the 19 year old in the FR you asked me to write, since I opened in a ridiculous fashion! (which she happened to find funny) I don't particularly like having to use that sort of opener if i'm honest, for various reasons.

I am sometimes able to 'hook' some other girls with using mystery method lines and other rehearsed stuff. I have to plan out the interaction like an actor. Especially the first few minutes

But I am not really able to get away from a boring conversation or hook the girl if I just 'be myself'.

Like, on another forum, the resident expert PUA told me ''Lower the bar! Just say what comes naturally! You don't need ro entertain her. My style of game is very boring. I just ask them how their night is going, make small talk and close the deal after a few hours'', but when I try to do that, I just get the same fast rejections from bored girls that other AFC's get.

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