Back in the day it was all about opinion openers (not to mention routines, DHV stories etc). Lots of people thought that with good enough game, you could get any girl in the world, no matter your looks etc.

It seems as though game has kind shot off in the other direction in a way. Lots of the advice on 'game' forums seems to be basically ''Approach direct. 'Be yourself'. Escalate. Close'', but to me, that's kind of useless advice. How on earth would that 'technique' work for a guy who wasn't very very handsome for example? I mean, I'd imagine that's how most guys tried (and failed) before trying to learn 'game', no? Isn't that idea that elements of 'game' can 'build attraction' that one might need in lieu of a super handsome face?

Anyway, i've kind of gone off track"

Even though i'm curious about people's thought on the above, I actually wanted to know whether you guys still use opinion openers. If so, you use them o single sets and 2-3 sets? And what openers do you have most success with?

Popular? Who gives a shit whats popular. Go with what works. This was just posted the other day, if you are struggling.

approaching-and-opening/list-openers-vt ... it=openers

Confidence is never out of favor.

It doesn't matter much how you open. I mean, it's not like she doesn't know why she's being opened. They may be surprised, or caught off guard, they know.

Your main focus when meeting new women is to find out what she is like. If she's a good fit for YOU. Not a magic pantie dropping bullshit line.

Do looks matter? Do muscles matter? ....Does giant wads of cash matter? Well fuck yes duh!

But I'm not gonna open that shit bag back up for the millionth time.

To answer your baited question. Yes go ahead and use opinion openers. Just sacking up and doing it puts you miles ahead......

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Just that i've been using more 'natural' openers for my last 500 approaches or so, and thinking about trying more 'routines' and 'opinion openers' etc to see if that buys me more time before they try to get away from me shortly after my open.

If you've opened 500 girls and they are still trying to get away like a muskrat in a leg-hold trap, there is something you are not sharing.

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I'm in the UK! lol. (plus not tall or 'handsome' but I workout)

But I make FR's most weeks in my journal

I use whatever is relevant to the moment, and 80% of the time that just happens to be a direct approach stating who I am and why I came over to talk to her. There's a lot of humor in my approach though, as direct as it is, i'm always going with someone that's going to get a smile.

Anyway, opinion openers are cool to me if they're genuine. I've always thought the whole idea of "making up a fake excuse" just to strike up a conversation pretty lame, although I can see it being neccessary for guys still getting through early levels of anxiety. To its like someone in sales pretending they care about how my day is doing and who I am just to make a sale, versus being upfront and direct about who they are and their intentions. A skilled salesman is going to confidently make the sale either way. Both approaches could work though; I just respect one a helluva lot more than the other.

As far as the old concepts go, I personally never took to them. I think this community was started by the nerds who grew up rejected by women who in turn made a science out of how to get laid. Some years later naturals and semi naturals discovered it and stated how uncessary a lot of the stuff they were doing was. It became about working smarter and not harder.

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Personally I've gone direct with just about every approach I've ever made.

First of all, I would feel inauthentic if I were to open an interaction with anything but the real reason that I wanted to talk to a girl.
This feeling of in-authenticity would shine throughout any cringy attempt I'd make to open.

By starting off direct, you're setting a fantastic frame from the start. She knows exactly why you are there, and can calibrate to her interests. You'll quickly screen her with regards to her being a time waster or not.

That screening is an important part of approaching, especially if you do so en-mass and want to optimise your time.

That's where I personally introduce light kino very early on into an interaction, generally not even a minute


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