so manson's book talks about investment....

honestly, if there's a girl who is in your circle of friends, who seems to think you're cute .... you're going to spend time thinking about the situation, aren't you going to try to come up with things to talk about with her, based on what she's said about herself, etc. aren't you going to try to come up with routines or things to say?

i would say even the biggest pimps in the world think about how they're going to talk a certain ho into their stable. its inevitable that you have some kind of investment. it's not like a plan is going to come together without thinking it over.

so, what's the key, then? pretending not to have this investment? not showing it? or simply being ready to accept the possibility that things might not be "meant to be" .... and being in the mindset of trying some stuff out and then dispassionately move on to the next girl if nothing is "clicking"

i mean ... let's say you've smalltalked a little bit... and then like the third time you run into her you say "well i've noticed x, y, and z about you. do you feel this way about a, b and c"... that's showing investment... it's showing that she's crossed your mind a little bit.. but how else are you going to have a conversation, without taking an interest in people?

what's wrong with showing your interest in person? You want her...she's not stupid, play for awhile.

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Jesus, you hit the bullseye on this thread.
I had this girl at school whose pants I wanted to get into, so I started going up to her and saying random things like "hey whats your opinion on x?", "you going to z party?" and greeting her. She found me hot, but some day I was like "tomorrow you goin to y party?", she (while kind of hugging me) is like "yeaaaaahhh baby" so I was supposed to atleast make out with her there. But I got there and I wasn't feeling it, didn't even talk to her much, just greeted her, did no jokes and just left. Made out with other girls but I guess she was dissapointed that in the whole party I didn't go for her.

Well, short story short, I saw her on monday for classes and she was totally boner-killed, when I greeted her she didn't say anything, just take the kiss on cheek and continue walking.
Lesson learned: Strike while iron is hot

After what happened(that was around 2 weeks ago now) I STILL am trying to get her. But the thing i'm doing is not talking to her much, like greeting her twice a week and only one time did I talk to her like "whats your opinion on me growing my hair for 6 months, bla ba bla".

She didn't even stop to hear, I talked to her while she was WALKING. Terrible. I'm guessing that to get this girl, I must ONLY greet her, not talk to her, and walk around school with another girl - that will spike her interest. Also, if anyone can help me - I need better ways of having conversations than just asking random things about her, partys, party costumes, hairstyle...

Adapt this story to your situation.

I think a good way to get to know anyone, male or female, is to talk about controversial subjects -- politics, religion, spirituality, sexuality, art... even if you get into an argument or disagree, you develop a deeper sense of how the other person thinks. so, basically, all of the conversation topics you are supposed to avoid--talk about those things.

Yea true. Problem is I was only talking to her in the small period of fifteen minutes recess that we have between classes

Whatever happened to just being yourself and talking? I don't get this over thinking, over calculating "game" some of you think you have to do. Getting women is only as hard as you make it.

There's a difference between investment and interest. It's fine to be interested, it's not fine to be invested where there is no reason to be.

If a woman smiles at you and you start planning your life together, that's being too invested.
If you smile back and flirt lightly, that's interest.
That may be true, you will have some investment. But it needs to be appropriate to context. The above example is not.
That's arguably showing interest, not investment.

Investment is saying "So I've been looking at your facebook and in 2015 you liked that sushi place downtown. You go there often?"
Too much, too soon.

And no, don't "plan". Flirting doesn't need to be planned, it's improvised.

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