I yesterday found a new pickpup blog, and saw post against masturbation. He said why:

- kills motivation to search girls
- harder to talk to others
- relations with girls almost do not create joy
- you can get depressed
- sex failures (erection failures, you get more erected with porn than with real girls, reduced desire for sex)


In the old days need for reproduce was a motivation for you to wake up in the morning and fight against anything enemies and create children. But was found perfect cheat - masturbation.

If you stop masturbating you automatically will search a way to fuck.

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Ok there are logic in what he tells. But I now can say my opinion.

About motivation. Yes, it is true, I might have less motivation. And I really do not have that much motivation. But so what? Do I want to be motivated to get any pussy? When I am thinking only about sex, I will just try to get any pussy which is not quality one. It might be that 90 % of girl value is a pussy. I have had girls like this and I am sick of those. 90 % of her value was pussy. Another things were just annoying - and the more time you spend with a girl, the less happyness that pussy creates but the annoyances do not reduce. And after some time you get so sick of this that you do not want that pussy anymore, it feels not worth, when she treats you like a trash, because she knows she has that "valueable" thing - pussy.

Plus another thing about caring so much about pussy is bad that you take risk of getting deseases and creating children at wrong age and with wrong girl and this really might influence your future.

I myself had been in a situation when I was just finished uni, and did not have a job, no skill to do a job and girl wanted to do few strokes without condom. Yea ok, I also wanted, but then she had no period in her normal times. I was so afraid - maybe we will have a child, what will I do. Plus I knew that girl for few months only. And also girl could easily cheat on me also, in that time I think I was too naive. I was 100 km away living from her, we meet once in 2 weeks, and so he had ton of opportunities to cheat. Its just a bad situation to have children under those circumstances.

About harder to talk to others - I do not see any logic with this.

Relations with girls almost do not make joy. Do not agree at all. If the girl only is able to create joy by sex, then with that kind of girl will be no joy. But as I said I have a girl friend who we have lot to talk about, and it is fun, so she creates joy. Who cares about those worthless girls who besides pussy do not have anything else.

- About you can get depressed. You can, but does not mean because of this. I am not depressed. I was depressed when being teenager, but not because of masturbation, but because of angry people at school. Masturbation creates good chemicals like serotonin or smth like this which create happines, so its oposite to depresion.

About erection failures. Yea, partly true. But it depends. You can be not relaxed with real girl, so no erection. But that is fixable easily. Need to get in better relationships and have understanding girl - girl should understand that you need to be relaxed, and not create pressure. Also she has to also try to make you erected. And there is no problem.
And also girl has to be hygienic, and care about her looks. Of course if you will have girl with terrible smell then it will turn you off. And also staying fit will also atract you more than being overweight.


Also if you will stop masturbating, then at first you will have desire for sex, but after some time the body will get used to it and you will forget it. And then you will not know what is wrong with you, is you penis stopped working. I have had 3 months break from it once, when somehow I had believed that it is bad.

Also I have read that its not healthy to have absence. For body it does not matter if it is real sex or masturbation, I guess you understand this. Something wrong with prostate might be or so.

Do you agree with me?

ManInTheMiddle,

I agree with the original blogger.

(Could you tell us his website?)

To add a new point, let's talk about the internet. If you know you can't masturbate, you are more likely to be productive when you turn on your laptop. In other words, there are so many clickbait links online now that without meaning, you can find yourself suddenly with your c*ck in your hands as you masturbate to some hot chick on your screen while simultaneously thinking, "WTF!? I came on here to post a twitter update..."

You can back track it, to some photo you saw of tits, clicked it, followed it through and then found a video of some chick taking her clothes off. It bothers me how many of these girls online there are... It also shows that beauty is abundant.

Anyway, with a no masturbation rule, there is no need to click these pics. You have to use your self-discipline and do what you planned to do when you turned on the computer.

Which brings us to a further point, having a strict no-masturbation rule, encourages you to discipline yourself and practice your integrity, which is an extremely good characteristic to have and will no doubt help with your future projects, when you need to use focus and concentration, and not be distracted.

In conclusion, not masturbation is good for your will power.

To add, I disagree with the original comment that it stops relationships being joyful. That largely depends on the people involved, not the masturbation. By that I mean, a relationship with no joy is due to the two people being non-joyous or just not suitable for each other. You should end this relationship.

I do though, think that masturbation kills your desire to search for women, keeps you depressed and MAY cause premature ejaculation. (Because when you wank you don't slowly enjoy it, you just make yourself cum as fast as possible).

Hope this changes your ideas

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no, because I will the disclose my country by the language of this site and probably few members here know that language anyway.
yea, at home, I do not take my dick in the hand while browsing, but it happens that mind goes from being productive. But cant I have fun at least when I am at home after work? At work I try to be productive, and at work I do not notice sites with woman pictures, because I am a programmer, and searching that content for programming does not give pictures with woman

But dont you agree that having no sex and no masturbation is unhealty for the body? THat is what I fear also.

And probably - if I stop masturbating lets say, still everyone will think that I lie if I say them, unless I really have a girl. So that also demotivates.

I know what you mean. No fap is like this:
First week: You want sex, you try hard not to fap.
After that: You feel like your dick doesn't work - you don't think about women at all, only studys, lifting weights and random everyday stuff comes up in your mind.

I guess fapping twice a week is the solution - AND only fapping using mind images, recalling girls you made-out with/fucked and spanking the money to that

that is maybe better compromise. But maybe no need to remove porn completely from life, maybe once a month then watch porn. Even having girl will not replace porn I think, because - girl will always be the same, unless you are cheating. Girl might not want to do things as you see in porn. Or it is even imposible, if you like lesbians for example, you are not woman, so you will not make this situation. So if you stop, then you will loose part of pleasure forever which does not cost anything.

Its like when you have a car, you should now stop watching videos of other cars. Does it make sense? For me not. I like watching other cars racing, but I cannot do that with my car because it costs a lot and its unsafe.

And also - would it make me want to earn more money to get better car if I stop watching car videos? I actually do not need that much that better car, maybe for me is enough to watch a video of ferarri. So same with girls, maybe its not worth for me to have world class prostitute, but enough to watch.

yea, at home, I do not take my dick in the hand while browsing, but it happens that mind goes from being productive. But cant I have fun at least when I am at home after work? At work I try to be productive, and at work I do not notice sites with woman pictures, because I am a programmer, and searching that content for programming does not give pictures with woman

But dont you agree that having no sex and no masturbation is unhealty for the body? THat is what I fear also.

And probably - if I stop masturbating lets say, still everyone will think that I lie if I say them, unless I really have a girl. So that also demotivates.[/quote]

I know what you mean. No fap is like this:
First week: You want sex, you try hard not to fap.
After that: You feel like your dick doesn't work - you don't think about women at all, only studys, lifting weights and random everyday stuff comes up in your mind.

I guess fapping twice a week is the solution - AND only fapping using mind images, recalling girls you made-out with/fucked and spanking the money to that[/quote]

that is maybe better compromise. But maybe no need to remove porn completely from life, maybe once a month then watch porn. Even having girl will not replace porn I think, because - girl will always be the same, unless you are cheating. Girl might not want to do things as you see in porn. Or it is even imposible, if you like lesbians for example, you are not woman, so you will not make this situation. So if you stop, then you will loose part of pleasure forever which does not cost anything.

Its like when you have a car, you should now stop watching videos of other cars. Does it make sense? For me not. I like watching other cars racing, but I cannot do that with my car because it costs a lot and its unsafe.

And also - would it make me want to earn more money to get better car if I stop watching car videos? I actually do not need that much that better car, maybe for me is enough to watch a video of ferarri. So same with girls, maybe its not worth for me to have world class prostitute, but enough to watch.[/quote]

Naw dude, fapping to porn makes your dick limp. Seriously, and it destroys dopamin receptors in your brain. Only fap to mind images or max to a sexy girl dancing on youtube I guess. Even that seems too much in my opinion;

Maybe it's a bit counter intuitive but when he says being motivated, he means motivated to meet and connect another human being. You know, as opposed to busting a load on a few screen pixels?
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You'd rather masturbate because sex can lead to disease and children? Cooking can lead to burning you're house down. It's a matter of whether you're a complete retard, or whether you have some common sense to not set your kitchen on fire.
How did you finish uni with no skill to do a job? Because that's pretty much the entire point of uni to begin with.
Also, maybe pick your battles better? As in, don't just go raw dogging it with whoever because they.. suggested it?
Feel free to have unprotected sex but have it with someone you trust, and control the situation regardless. Besides, if you feel uncomfortable then simply pull out. You don't have to go all the way.
Higher testosterone levels tend to override some social anxiety.
Why does it have to be so extreme with you?
I don't think you get depressed because of this, but I can definitely see how it can keep you there.
By the way, you get rushes of dopamine and endorphines from heroin too. As in, the only thing that makes you feel good about yourself for a short while before it gets ten times worse?
By your logic that's the opposite of depression. I hope you see the problem there.
Porn induced ED is a thing. So is desensitizing yourself.
And yeah, there are other factors that can lead to temporary or chronic ED, which is a reason why you shouldn't add on top. Not why you should.
Your body will find ways. If you don't masturbate and don't have sex for a few weeks, you'll start getting wet dreams.
That said, there IS a difference. Since you mentioned chemicals earlier, the array is significantly different when you're having real sex, as opposed to having sex with yourself.

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yea, I agree that he meant to connect with other human being. Actually woman. Not man, right? And then with that woman to have sex.
cannot compare kitchen to sex. How often people burn kitchen and how often people get unplanned children and desease? I believe they are very different probabilities.
not like zero skill, but really not like feeling that I can make profit. But yea, maybe I should have tried to apply to some companies and maybe would have been lucky. I just had a 3 months practice as freelancer and saw I am not making products as fast to be able to finance my living from the pay they could pay me, so thats why I thought I have not enough skill.
I tried to google on testosterone levels. For example here:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/24668 ... tosterone/
If sex would reduce testosterone, then it means not only after masturbation, but after sex as well you would be more socially anxious.

Then explain logically - why this could be true: "Relations with girls almost do not make joy." ?
I do not see. Heroin yea, we know it is unhealthy. But I assume masturbation is not unhealthy.
at the beggining it will. I like those dreams. But later it forgets. At least that was when I had 3 months absence. And also I feel like I wasted 3 months becuase I did not get more girls or something like that. I just lost pleasure which I could have
And I am still afraid it is unhealthy to be absent.

Also - if masturbation is so bad, then why 98% of guys who have no woman masturbate? I mean yea, because it gives pleasure. But smoking or drinking also gives pleasue, but since we understand its bad, we dont do it as much, except some. But with masturbation almost all.

Googling bit more:
http://www.canadianliving.com/life-and- ... abstinence

The point is you can control the fire hazard in your kitchen with the same ease as controlling where you shoot your load and whether or not either of you are using birth control.
Condoms prevent STDs and really contrary to popular belief they are A LOT less common that people make it out to be.
Unless you plan on having unprotected sex with the local methhead, and have some standards when it comes to personal hygiene, getting a STD is nothing short of a challenge.
What skill? you're fresh out of uni. That's entry level. You don't need skill for entry level. You only need potential.
https://www.anabolicmen.com/ejaculation-testosterone/
The word may is important. But either way, if testosterone and/or lack of it was the sole source of social anxiety then yes, that would make sense.
But it's not. And sex's physiological after effects are different from those of masturbating.
I don't understand the wording of that question. The amount of joy you get out of having relations with a girl does not revolve around either sex or either a deeper connection. It can be one, the other, or even better, both.

It's probably not unhealthy unless you use it as a means to replace something you can't get. If you do it because you're horny but haven't had sex with a real woman in over a year, then it's a problem. Because you're trying to escape reality.
Look, it's just an incentive. If you're not having sex and the only way you're getting it is with a real woman, instead of playing with yourself, that's another reason to push your self development even harder. That does not mean that it will magically drop from the sky.


Very few things are "so bad" on their own. I don't think it's inheritedly bad, just like alcohol isn't. But if you throw moderation out the window and are drinking to fill a void of an otherwise shit life, it's a problem.
And the reason most guys with no woman masturbate is precisely because they have no woman. And if instead of going out to meet people you stay home and rub one off, guess what, you'll still have no woman tomorrow.

I assume there's a difference between prolonged abstinence and short term. Look, people shouldn't go months and years without sex. You can have dry weeks every now and then but if you systematically cannot attract a woman for months on end, you have bigger problems to worry about than whether or not you should smear your screen.

So by all means, use it. But if you're using it on your own because that's the only way you can, then you should probably fix that.

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hmm. Not sure what exactly to do after those posts
and this is interesting. Can I really believe you that STDs less common. Why then there is such popular belief?

And about birth control - I still see lot of accidental child, from like my classmates for example. Often they had a children at 18 or 19 and as I understood they were accidental. Who would do a child at 18 intentionally?

Diseases are pushed as common because it isn't worth the risk of catching one to not buy a $5 pack of rubbers.

Teens have kids because they either aren't taught about birth control or are too stupid/lazy to use it.

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Wear the rubbers- it's only your horny dick speaking to you to go raw...not worth the kid or possible std

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Because it's easier to say "ew I don't have sex with just about anyone because they might carry STDs" than it is to say "I can't get laid". Besides, there was a time where popular belief dictated the Earth was flat.

We don't live in the 1500s anymore where everything is a festering pool of disease. Most people shower regularly.

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The way I see it is, if you are looking for a lasting relationship with a woman, it is a BAD thing. Why? because it puts you in a false sense of reality. It makes your skills as a partner lazy. It leaves you disappointed in bed when you realize most REAL women aren't the way these women in pornos are PAID to act like. If you just want to sleep around and have fun, I guess it wont be an issue but what happens when you meet the woman of your dreams and she realized you have a porn problem and is complete turned off by you?

I like the real deal myself.