Lol, come on. If OP comes back friday and says he caught his chick fucking, you'll say oh he was weak, or they werent real orgasms she had. If you came back and said you caught your girl cheating, you'd say I had become weak and was too nice to her lately. My point is, this whole be alpha and she wont do xyz despite the signs of xyz has always been a cop out.

Ok, context. So OP's girls roommate's bf...whats his reason for getting cheated on? And whatever caused him to get cheated on, what separates him from the OP? Is he weak, and you believe OP is strong?

I'm looking for reasonable solutions here and I think you've given me a lot of statements without context. You've called me weak and neurotic which was uncalled for. You've also spent a lot of time insulting others for having the nerve to question you or think differently from you. It doesn't make me a troll because I have pointed that out. It doesn't make me a troll because I don't agree with the other poster that says being faithful doesn't require an orgasm. A few of the gentlemen here have made statements that resonate with me even though it's not what I wanted to hear.

If it's the case that you think I'm some sort of troll, I'm sorry because that's far from the truth. I understand and accept you not putting your input on this thread from here on out because it would be a waste of your time. Thank you for your opinions.

No, I believe this entire thread is overly complicated, and there's too much vitriol towards women. I could make assumptions about the uptight nature of some of the advice, but I won't go there.

I don't have much more time to put into this. I'm heading out tonight to a bar, a strip club, and then home with my gf and her roommate.

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Ummm...you've been making assumptions for the entire thread.

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Lol, Arch we're grown men. I dont need to know what your schedule is like. Yourve 40 man, that kinda talk is high school.

I posed to you numerous times, straight direct respectfully worded questions, and you couldnt answer. If you cant quote this "vitriol" whats the point. Please, dont go using charged words with no evidence over and over and dodging direct questions. Even the OP has to ask for clarification and you cant provide him anything. Thats just man to man.
Lol. I thought to myself, youve already stated those assumptions. Thats like some one calling you a bitch a couple of times and saying I could name call but I wont go there.

I truly think the OP is a troll. He asked for a call with my gf, then never PM'ed.

I do have my hands full tonight. There's a high chance of repeat threesome, and my ex-fling the bartender just hit me up (it's my birthday), and she and my current gf have been flirting hard the last few weeks. Trying to arrange myself, the ex, the roommate, and my gf.

If I never post here again it's not because I didn't want to, it's because I died of a heart attack, lol.

You all have a great night.

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I was going to ask for a session but then I started paying attention to how you were treating others and myself in the post. When I asked you to make yourself more clear by providing context to your statements, you never did. You just continued to insult the other people posting. You say that people are saying things that were never said or implied. I also don't trust the fact that you say that your girlfriend says that she won't cheat because of orgasms. Every comment that you've made about yourself was a dedication to your greatness. That's why I didn't PM you.

True to the fashion that I'm starting to understand about you and your presence on this thread, you call me a troll without any context.

Lol. The Great Arch Stanton. OP says he had a threesome with his 21 year old girlfriend for his birthday. Leave it to Arch to one up him and go out for a foursome.

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Nah the roommate is out as of 10 minutes ago. Her bf got pissed she was going out with just us.

Now it's down to the ex-fling and the gf.

We'll see.

That's how these things roll.

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I never made such an offer. At this point forward, my posts are no longer intended to help you but for my selfish end of learning more about human behavior, especially on women.
I took a time out so I can look at what you're driving at objectively. I could be wrong and you could be right, or vice-versa.

My primary intention in joining this forum 5 years ago is to learn so I can get really good with women. It is still my primary intention today.

So I took a look at your argument that this is a specific case on a specific woman. I likewise considered JackZero's valid point that I haven't offered any proof that orgasm = fidelity/ faithfulness/ loyalty. Jack is right. I cannot find any studies focused on orgasm = loyalty.

I did, however, found several studies that are focused on searching for sexual satisfaction = cheating, searching for relationship satisfaction = cheating, and searching for emotional connection = hard, throbbing cocks other than the husband's useless piece of limp equipment. But of course, that's like comparing apples to oranges.

After reading up a bunch of other studies that I have encountered for the first time due largely to this thread, I got hold of Elisabeth Sheff's Polyamorous Women, Sexual Subjectivity and Power. Sheff is an assistant professor at Georgia State University and has a Ph.D. from the University of Colorado in Boulder. Her study appears in the Journal of Contemporary Ethnography.

While I can safely infer that polyamorous women are in the minority, there are no hard numbers available or reputable estimates on how many polyamorous women are out there. Because of Neo's insight and Sheff's study, I have come to realize that op's girlfriend could be one. Aside from that, it would be really unfair of me to call her a cheater or imply that she's cheating (I sincerely apologize if I called her a cheat or implied that she's one in any of my posts in this thread) because she informed op of the impending threesome. Technically, that is not cheating unless op stomped his foot down that he doesn't want her doing any of that and she agreed to comply with op's wishes.

Based on his posts, I am still of the firm belief that op is not fucking his woman right. I am thankful though that op respects my opinion and didn't call me an idiot or a fucktard.

As it is, yeah. I agree with Neo that this is one specific woman with a specific set of character traits. It was really irrelevant that I cited the norm and the majority (that most women are not having vaginal orgasms) because such did not apply to this specific case. This woman's character is altogether a different, but major factor, that has an impact on the impending blowjob this Thursday. I am also hoping and praying that aside from that blowjob, she gets a good dose of hardcore pussy pounding to fill in the op's lack in this area.

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That's what you hope and pray for? I'm not going to call you an idiot or fucktard but it's obvious that you have problems. It must be a sad attempt to make me feel bad because your empirical data that you have based your game on and "proven" your success with 100+ women.

By the way, I pointed out to you that orgasms ensure a woman is faithful wasn't part of those studies before JackZero did, but you were on a mission to show everybody how scientific you were in your approach to being an expert on women that you couldn't stand to have a new guy tell you that you were wrong about it.

You did write this so it's fine if you don't add anymore of your inputs in my thread. I'm sure there's room on the forum to start your own thread where you can put more whacky theories on data that your brain doesn't get.

Wow. That was coldhearted.

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Reading back, you're right that you did point this out before Jack did. You were, however, crystal ball reading on the mission thing. It is more of propinquity and passion. I have known Jack here for quite a long while and based on propinquity and many of his solid advices, I do trust him more. Same thing goes with Neo. Neo has always been fair, civil, analytical and logical. I have likewise known him for quite a long while in this forum. I trust him. That's the propinquity side of it.

As for passion, when you're passionate about something, you have a tendency to filter out many other information when you're in the moment with what you're passionate about. I think that's where I'm at fault here. I got too passionate with the topic from my point of view.

That doesn't change a thing though about my strong belief (based on your posts) that you're not banging this woman right and that she deserves better SPAM in the hardcore pussy pounding department. We all have problems. You have yours; which you are asking help with, and I have mine; which is business-related and non-pick up-related which I'm not asking any help with.

Now, I would really appreciate it that you stop quoting my posts if you're just crystal ball reading. This is a pick up forum; not a fucking New Age shit.

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I have no idea what you're talking about with the crystal ball reading or new age stuff you're talking about but there's clearly a cylinder not firing in your head. I'm happy to know that you trust some of the guys here and they have given me good information when it comes to the problem that needed addressing. On the opposite end of the spectrum, you're not providing anything of use and I'm not sure why you have a beef with me. Good luck with your business-related and non-pick up-related(I'm pretty confident that it has to do with your mental health) problems although I don't know why you feel it's worth mentioning on this post and I hope that you do get the help that you obviously need.

Now you're a medical doctor and/or mental health specialist.

This emotional distress from your end will pass and you'll look back at this thread and think how your emotional pain fluctuated from one post to another until you reach the point where you had a firm grip on reality and realize that at the end of it all, fragile men's egos are the main reason why women cheat behind men's back or say things indirectly to cushion the blow.

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