It's like you're not even paying attention. You are the one that needs to come to your senses.

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My logical side says walk away, red flags everywhere. My emotional side says try and work it out. The time away should only strengthen my logic as the more I think about it the less emotion I have towards her.

I feel like this will likely have the opposite effect on her and she'll want to be with me more now that I've shown I can easily walk away (due to complete NC) to other girls and am not clingy!

Not showing you are doesn't imply not being. There's a difference.

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Most of these threads come from a lack of standards. A guy with standards hears a chick say 2 months in, wife shit, he realizes the chick is unstable. A guy with standards has sex once a week at most, he says we're not sexually compatible. A guy with standards hears a chick say I dont deserve you, he walks. Guy with standards hears "lets fuck other people" when he wants monogamy, he walks. This is not a relationship someone with standards would aim for. What she wants is the good stable guy there, while she goes through her money shit and experiences other guys.

This all just sounds like fallout from bad sex.

Bring toys and porn into the bedroom. Get wasted, party, get crazy. If that doesn't work, bail.

Passion is so important. If it's not there, what's the point?

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Any pointers or suggestions? We used to party a lot more at the start and I think it defeinty helped with the passion and wild fun side of things.

I've been in 2 relationship and several 'open' relationships. Multiple friends with benefits and made the most of my single life but this is a different beast. Never had issues getting a girl to orgasm!

Make it a game.

I have one with girls where we grab a laptop, and I have her pick out a porn she likes on Pornhub or whatever. The "game" part is seeing how long we can watch before touching each other. The loser buys dinner the next time we go out.

Guys think they have to do all these complicated dates to impress women. When all you need is little tweaks, little mind fucks here and there to get things going.

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Read everything and first thing that comes to my mind is how many time's did you guys see each other in a week? Things got boring my friend and it could be due seeing each other to many times which is ok if you can keep it fun everytime you guys meet but chilling everyday with the same person eventually gets old, girls in their 20's want to have fun and not worry to much about the future so when a girl that is under 30 says to you, i want to be your wife and all that cute stuff don't be a fool and believe it....

What you should do is screen the girl for a few months before entering into the relationship... 9/10 times you will see red flags that should make you realise going long term when your under 25 is foolish because of the immaturity of most young girls. Sure there are exceptions but the party girl you describe here is most definitely no exception.

Like some of the other posters said have standards and are willing to walk, this sets you aparts from most guys who will do exactly what you do now, go on breaks, talk forever while the both foy uo already know its not going to work so be a cool man and walk away, she will think about the mature guy who walked away with class.

There are girls far better then her, believe me!

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Thanks for the posts! All relevant information giving me a lot to think about.

Arch, I'll be mixing it up for sure if this break ends and we're still together. Although it's hard for me to see this lasting much longer, at least I'll know I tried something different!

Hey guys just an update on this. It's been 2 weeks now of the "break". The first week there was no contact.

Last week she texted me about something of a different topic. I responded but was short and sharp.

A day later she tagged me in a video on facebook which is to my interests. I simply liked it.

Late on Saturday night she texted me to see what I was up to. Short responses lead to her calling. We spoke for a few minutes. I tried to ask her how things were but didn't get much out so I ended it quickly.

Still expecting to meet later this week as we set a date to end the break.

I haven't initiated any contact in this time. I'm not going to allow her to decide wether this relationship goes on - I have my views which I won't change and we will see if they're shared.

How should I approach this situation? Should I greet with a kiss (risky) or friendly hug?

I don't want to act too cold or distant or anything like that. Thinking I should just be energetic and confident like it's a first date. I want to make it look like the last few weeks were good (which it was!).

If you really were serious about holding to what YOU want, you wouldnt be asking how to "play" this. If you wanted to kiss her, you'd kiss her. No, you'll meet and hope she wants to try a relationship. If she says open relationship, you'll take it with hopes you can turn it monogamous.

When she hit you up late sat night, she got what she needed. You shouldve been out with a chick, or had a chick over, or out with friends, or asleep from having a late night the night before. She called, you answered. You need to really move on, not just pretend like you've moved on...you're still so strung on like this.

Here's how this will play, lets say friday is the day you 2 are scheduled to meet. She wont contact you first, and you'll hit her up first asking whether friday still works. See, on her side, she knows she has you. She knows you want to talk. She knows you want to get back together. Thats unattractive.

I know its tough to hear, but a "break" in this scenario means "I want a conscience free fuck from someone else." And its better to move on when this conversation even starts. By accepting it, you're just signalling "I'll be here waiting for you" which you did. Youre in a hole, and the only way out wouldve been to walk completely.
She gave it to you right there. When a chick backpeddles, because YOU would date other girls, it shows she wants to fuck/date other guys...she just doesnt want you to. Its like if I had a friend who told me "lets not hang out for a while" and I say "fine, that means I wont be able to lend you money during that time" and he says "Nah nah, nevermind"....well I know from that exchange my friend WANTs my money. He doesnt want to hang out for the sake of it; he wants to hang out to continue to receive my money. And with a chick, its a huge red flag that she is sleeping with or will sleep with someone else, you just woulnt know.

Move on. This chick has already showed you what she wants. Not monogamy. And you can try to trick her or convince her into a monagamous relationship, but thats not going to end well.

It was a late call, maybe 3am. She called several times before I called back (should have mentioned this). She picked up right away. Id been out at the clubs and she knew this.

We agreed at the start of this "break" that we wouldn't see other people. So if she wanted to really do it she could without the break, no difference. It's cheating either way. Obviously if she admits or I find out she did anything that's an easy exit for me. All feelings would be gone.

I'm not going to hit her up for the meet up. If she doesn't hit me up I've got many other things to do. I agree it would be unattractive for her to know that I would want to make it work that's why I'm interested in seeing how to approach it without appearing needy! I want to make it work but don't NEED it to. I have other girls hitting me up so I'm not loosing if I walk away. I just want to do some things differently to be sure!

Why go into meta and analyzing everything? Just be fun, be in the moment.

That sounds like a bad way to start (or re-start) things.

Look, you two were together for TWO months. That is nothing. Then you got too clingy, sent too many negative emotions her way, and she simply said "give me space" (the open relationship attempt). And when I read your texts, it still sounds like you're about to sling more negative emotions her way. This is what 95% of men do early on in dating. And that's why men are the ones who get dumped most of the time.

Are you attracted to her? Just say hi, smile, and start making out. Have fun. Do ANTYHING but have Debbie Downer talks, relationship talk, or anything negative or meta analytical. That is, if you want to keep her. If you don't, just walk away. But remember the context: two months is nothing. You don't even know this girl yet.

I'm going to tell you exactly how hot, 20-somethings operate when they are single in 2017:

Most will have several guys they text, or who text them. The girl may not be sleeping with all these guys. She may have one she's considering. She may have one she's fucking, she may have one she's just kissing, etc.

When the girl finds a dominant male (emotionally centered, not clingy, fun, good in bed), the other orbiters go away, one by one. It's that simple.

You meet your girl, and are with her for two months, then she pulls back because you got clingy, started having "talks" too much, too many negative emotions overpowered fun emotions.

The effect this has is that some of those guys in her life before she started rolling with you, start to look better than they did. She gets wishy washy, wants an "open relationship".

You must realize that you will never control a woman. You can only control how you show up, every day, and women gravitate to this.

This isn't about pride or respect. It's simply about acting in ways, and showing up in a way that lets YOU be the decider, every time. It's something you learn over the years.

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Why is it easy to give her up if she saw other people but not because she wants to see other people? You're talking such a big game but at the same time not showing any pride in yourself.

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OP at some point you gotta realize you're being self destructive. I know you can find a counter argument for every argument you receive here but that's not based on anything else than ego.

She's not even playing you, you're playing yourself. You should be hanging out with some other woman and until the very point she says she wants to reconsider, she should not even be a presence on your mind.

But she is. And it will end badly for you.

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