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Would you consider her as hard to get or relatively easy to get?
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Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and am here in the first place because I need help with a girl.

I really am not the kind of guy that would say "no worries there are plenty of fish in the sea!"...

...Hell no, I'm not the kind of guy who wants to get hundreds of girls in one-night stands. I'm actually looking for a girl that I relate to in my life, who is beautiful, who analyzes before talking and is intelligent. There are a hundred of other subconscious things that I look for but the most important is the fact that, in the case of that girl I'll be talking about, in 18 years of living, I managed to find only her who meet these criterias and now I'm crazy in love and in no way would want to lose this opportunity.

You know that kind of girl that you would marry, have your kids with, would be next to you on your deathbed and would look straight into your eyes making you not care about what's after death, well that kind of girl.

So, now comes the problem.

That girl is going to university on June of this year and I still have one year left in college because I submitted my demand a bit too late. At a party a few weeks ago, a friend of mine told me that she talked to a guy for about an hour and this guy was actually going to the university she will go to. So, that means that I have five months left to get her heart, otherwise it'll be his.

That being said, I began reading on PUA to level up my skills, because I always struggled with my confidence and general PUA stuff because of overthinking. So I've read "The Tao Of Badass" by Joshua Pellicer, watched over ten hours of Richard La Ruina's videos and came across hundreds of PUA Forums threads. So, I understood a bit more about the science behind this.

Now, came the next step.

A friend of mine was hosting a relaxed party at his house to inaugurate his new acquisition. There was about 10 persons in that party, I actually knew most of them. So, I dressed like a gentleman (as I would naturally do) and went there with my friend.

As we stepped in the house, I saw the girl that I love, she was with a friend of hers. I looked around to find places where we could hang/relax and have a talk and actually found a few. As two of my friends (who were there) were informed of my plan to try to get that girl on that night, I texted them: "it will actually be easier than what I thought". What was cool is the fact that they actually were ready to help me whenever I would ask them to.

Now, the night began.

So, as I've learned in PUA that girls generally have more taste in regards to men who are confident, I began to talk to everyone in the room by asking random conversation-building questions that would help me create a link with people and show a confident image of me. Began to talk business related stuff with people, school with some others, DJs and production stuff with others, well, I was moving from persons to persons as time flew by. I actually did that because I've looked at the girl I love and nobody seemed to want to potentially "try himself" on her because a few of the guys already have girlfriends most others thought they were too old (she's same age as me and they are around 24-25). BUT, it didn't actually prevent them to talk to her but had no intention to build up rapport (if that's the right term).

As minutes flew by, a girl arrived (a girl that I didn't know but didn't like either) so, as a gentleman, I kissed her on both cheeks to greet her. Side note, nobody would have done that in the room except the guys around 23 and higher. NT: the girl I love actually looked at me when I did that so I thought it was a pretty good move of mine.

Now that a good hour went by, I thought it was a good time to join the conversation she was actually in. So, as she was sat at the kitchen's table with her female friend and a good male friend of mine, I joined in.

I was talking with them but deep down I was actually analyzing what kind of personality and behaviours she has so I could build up my way of approach from there. So, here are the notes that I took while talking (because different kinds, different approaches right?):

- Positive body language at all times
- Would not look at me except if I was the one talking (almost felt like she was anxious to look at me). If I would do eye contact with her, she would smile and gets back to the person who was talking.
- Express a big smile at the beginning of the conversation and a light one for the rest of the conversation except when she laughs.
- She has a lot of Anxious fidgets and generally can't hide them (feet twitching, sudden but still subtle head movements, constantly playing with her hands.)
- Attention easily gets drawn away by other people asking her stuff in the midst of a conversation between me and her.
- Laughs as soon as I say something lightly funny and express a big smile afterwards.
- Always with her female friend and always very close to her, gets very uncomfortable if she's not. (NOT KIDDING she never was alone a single time).
- Excited, very jumpy, almost too much at some points, and it's accompanied by anxious fidgets.
- Never even holded a neutral and relaxed position at least ONCE during the party. By that, I mean, always moving feet and lightly smiling never does she not.
- Holds eye contact until rupture of the conversation (as an example, if someone asks her something in the midst of the conversation)
- I learned that she actually is attracted by a guy in the room but he is not interested because he thinks he's too old.
- VERY playful, laughs a lot even if it's for rough, dark-humour stuff (because a friend of mine was keen on that lol)

Another thing I've noticed is that they don't seem to take me seriously, by that I mean that if I'm the first to talk and someone interrupts me, everyone's attention will be drawn to him and no one will listen to me, but if I interrupt someone, people will still listen to him and nobody will move its attention towards me.

GENERAL KNOWLEDGE FACTS: I've known that girl for about 6 years, I've actually met her for the first time at the first day of high school. We're good friends, but not incredibly good friends, by that I mean that we talk to each other but would not hang out one-on-one, the only time we would hang out together is if our circle of friends (around 5 persons) would organize something. For her whole high-school, she only talked to her fellow really close friends, she seemed a bit insecure and shy, but now that she's in college, it seems like she cope with her insecurity and shyness but being OVERLY extrovert (does that makes sense?). She had ONE boyfriend during her whole high school years and she wouldn't want to kiss him because she was too shy or overly concerned by everyone's views or something like that. Apparently, she had one boyfriend (or so) during her college years, in fact, only her close friends knew about that, and apparently they had sex which is surprising of her.

So here are my questions:

1) What kind of girl do you think she is and what would be the perfect approach in that case?

2) What qualities and habits should I get in order for me to have better chances?

3) In one of the last paragraphs I've written, I talked about how people looked like they didn't take me seriously, why is that? And how could I change that?

4) If she is attracted by a guy in the room, do my abilities and chances to get her diminish?

5) I thought she didn't seem comfortable, what would be the best way to make her comfortable and latched onto the conversation I'm having with her + how do I create "love" on her side?

6) She seems EXTREMELY playful but also very serious when I talk to her. She could talk about a newspaper article on racism she's writing and jokes a lot on generally immature stuff in the same sentence. So what kind of approach and conversational subjects would you recommand?

7 LAST) LAST QUESTION, if I'm talking with someone and notice that she looks at me, should I look at her for a second, smile and look back at the person I was talking to or just do like I didn't notice?

Immense thanks to everyone that will reply, you'll make a guy extremely happy. :)


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:14 pm 
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I'm actually looking for a girl that I relate to in my life, who is beautiful, who analyzes before talking and is intelligent. There are a hundred of other subconscious things that I look for but the most important is the fact that, in the case of that girl I'll be talking about, in 18 years of living, I managed to find only her who meet these criterias and now I'm crazy in love and in no way would want to lose this opportunity.
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You know that kind of girl that you would marry, have your kids with, would be next to you on your deathbed and would look straight into your eyes making you not care about what's after death, well that kind of girl.
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I was talking with them but deep down I was actually analyzing what kind of girl she is.
I'm worried about you a bit OP. You've told this story about how great this girl, how she's the one that you'd want to spend your life with, and how she's the girl that you are in love with. All of a sudden, you have the audacity to say that you're at this party to figure out what kind of girl she is. You are highly invested into this girl and you don't even know what kind of person she is.

Your thinking is so out of order, it's troubling. You don't decide that you want to spend your life with a girl, say that you love her, and then turn around and try to figure out what kind of person she is.

I know you're not going to listen to my advice but there are guys on here that may see your situation and hopefully they read this before they start thinking like you do. You should drop any thought of this girl. You have given her so much value without you actually knowing who she is as a person and only bad decisions can be made while you are pursuing her. She's only special because that's what you made her out to be in your imagination.

In reality, men and women meet each other, get along well, and it takes months to figure out if they are or aren't the right fit for each other. During this time they have expressed mutual attraction for each other. You're not even close to making this same decision about this girl.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:48 pm 
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When I told that "I spent time analyzing who she is" I meant that I did know that we related on a lot of things that we would be very great together BUT that I needed to see what kind of personality she has and how she behaves before choosing my way of approach. That's what I've meant.

By the way, I think that saying that my way of thinking is troubling and that you are worried about me is a bit sensationalist. I don't see how bad my way of thinking could be except of being so much in love that it gets almost delusional (to take to the second degree obviously). But to be honest, I think that most persons who are crazy in love have the same type of reflexion.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:58 pm 
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BUT that I needed to see what kind of personality she has and how she behaves
Do you think this actually helps or hurts your argument? You're still saying that you don't know what kind of personality has or how she behaves.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:25 pm 
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Alright, as you wish, a clearer statement: I know that we relate on a lot of things, this is one of the most intelligent girl that I know. I pretty much know her personality type and I like It, BUT, I don't know how to behave in regards to HER personality, I am not sure what to do in order to seduce someone that behaves like she does.

In the first place, i assumed that she was an extroverted kind of girl, but last night has put my conclusion as a subject of reevaluation. She has traits of extraversion, but also traits of introversion.

That being said, what im looking for is help to understand what kind of girl she is (MIND-wise) and how to behave in regards to that.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:45 pm 
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Alright, as you wish, a clearer statement: I know that we relate on a lot of things, this is one of the most intelligent girl that I know. I pretty much know her personality type and I like It, BUT, I don't know how to behave in regards to HER personality, I am not sure what to do in order to seduce someone that behaves like she does.

In the first place, i assumed that she was an extroverted kind of girl, but last night has put my conclusion as a subject of reevaluation. She has traits of extraversion, but also traits of introversion.

That being said, what im looking for is help to understand what kind of girl she is (MIND-wise) and how to behave in regards to that.
Even when you clear up your statement, you keep putting up the same red flags of you not knowing who this girl really is...but you claim that you're in love with her.

I have no issue in you wanting to seduce her, but the way you idealize her is a problem. The way you are planning your future with her is a problem. Your sense of desperation knowing that she is going to be leaving for school is a problem. It's obvious that there's so much that you do not know about relationships and your lack of experience with women. It's okay to not know yet. We all learn at some point and you're still really young. But like I said earlier...I knew you wouldn't want to listen to my advice.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:10 pm 
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I didn't say I didn't want to listen to your advice. If the fact that I do not know her yet is the problem, would you mind giving me advices on how do so and that without annihilating all my chances if i discover that I really love her because I discovered that we really share that much together?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:38 pm 
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I didn't say I didn't want to listen to your advice. If the fact that I do not know her yet is the problem, would you mind giving me advices on how do so and that without annihilating all my chances if i discover that I really love her because I discovered that we really share that much together?
No one can advise you because you have a fear of losing someone you don't have. That's operating at a weakened position. You spent all of that time at that party doing everything you could in hopes that the girl would be impressed by how you carried yourself. You didn't take a chance when you had her up close and personal because you didn't want to risk your fantasy from coming true. Seduction is an offensive game and you are on defense.

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I see. But what do you mean when you say "you didn't take a chance when you had her close and personal"?


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And by the way, I agree when you say "you didn't want to risk your fantasy" and "you're afraid to lose someone you don't have". I always thought like that for as long as I can remember and I have a hard time letting go of that way of thinking, any tips on that?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:02 am 
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I see. But what do you mean when you say "you didn't take a chance when you had her close and personal"?
You didn't flirt with her. You didn't indicate that you found her attractive. You presented yourself in a nonsexual way that would make her think that you would be a good guy for her friend that can never find a good guy. If you want to attract a girl that has a neutral opinion of you, you have to make yourself a sexual option in her eyes. If you don't, she is going to put you in a friend role.

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And by the way, I agree when you say "you didn't want to risk your fantasy" and "you're afraid to lose someone you don't have". I always thought like that for as long as I can remember and I have a hard time letting go of that way of thinking, any tips on that?
This is your ego and your way of protecting it. When you are ready to give up on protecting it is when you'll be able to let go of that way of thinking.

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I see. Interesting. And how do I let go of this ego?


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I see. Interesting. And how do I let go of this ego?
All sorts of ways

1. Putting in the effort
2. Realizing that it's okay to not get a specific girl
3. Hit rock bottom
4. Become the prize

I'm sure that there are more ways, but those just came off the top of my head.

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