So I've been talking to this girl recently, I thought there was more there than there was, she basically threw me into the friend zone and gave me the 'Nice guy' 'down to earth' label which I guess comes from my respect for women. She told me she usually goes for the dickheads and regrets it.
What's the shit with being a nice guy when picking up girls? Do I need to become more of a dickhead and how?

Girls not liking nice guys is a myth. The simple way to look at it is that women don't like a guy that is an option for her. Whatever your goal with a woman is, she can't ever feel confident that she has you until you've achieved your goal with her. If you're a nice guy, continue being one but your focus can't be on her.

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The issue isn't nice vs rude, women say that because they don't know any better. The issue is passive vs active. If you never show that you are sexually interested in a girl, she will assume you are not. And once that happens, you changing things up suddenly becomes uncomfortable for her.

Learn to be flirtatious and sexual at the start, and gftow.

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These hos ain't loyal

So I need to make myself unavailable? How can I do this? And I should look at multiple women at once?

Your problem isn't them classing you, naw Bro, it's you classing them. You are the one giving them more important status then yourself. You see a pretty girl and immediately become subservient to her.

They don't LJBF you, you put that hat on all by yourself.

Why do you ask?

Because they have something we want. Badly.

Pussy.

So you think by being 'nice" (subservient) to her she might just grant you a little time with that little kitty huh?

Nope.

Why would she? You are toiling away just THINKING that MAYBE someday she will.

It's an evil plot those bitches have! Bawhahaha.

No. It's just plain old human lazy nature.

Why work hard for something your getting easily?

So if you make them work a little harder. Tease a little. Be more of a challenge. Well then maybe she needs to offer you a bit of that to entice you. Because she still needs her little chores done.

Pretty simplified but you get the idea?

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A nice guy is basically a push over.

A guy that will bend over backwards at every one of her beck and call.

Nothing wrong with being nice, but you've got to be confident, exude some masculine energy....along with being nice.

For example, I have a guy right now, well, for the past 1 year, that's a proverbial nice guy. Despite me ignoring him for months, telling him outright I'm not interested in him and that I have a boyfriend, nothing stops this dude. He contacts me every couple of weeks asking for help with this and that. Should I be an asshole and completely ignore him because he is retarded and doesn't get I'm simply not interested whatsoever?

So, don't be like this dude. I bet you if he had a girl or two, he wouldn't be hitting me up (or probably other female 'friends').

For people who say 'nice guys finish last.' Wrong.

Guys who aren't their own person finish last. I should know, I was one of them. They put women on pedestals and admire them constantly, ignoring and neglecting themselves, bending over backwards for them. Most women of value are used to this, and guess what, its low value and it bores them.
You're focusing on the wrong thing, most likely because of the popular 'nice guy' misconception. She didn't friend-zone you because you're nice and "down to earth", I can guarantee that. Those are actually good qualities. She friend-zoned you because your interactions with her didn't interest her sexually, at least not enough to get her into bed. Maybe you bored her by doing what most guys do ("Oh, wow, you're beautiful. May I take you to dinner? Please, come off your pedestal for 10 minutes to talk to me, my life sucks"), maybe you bugged her too much and were too available, etc, I don't know, without more specifics I won't be able to tell you, (put more info next time), but I know she didn't friend-zone you simply because she smelt 'nice' off of you.

You can be a nice person and get the girl. The vast majority of PUAs I know prove that.

Being 'more of a dickhead' is the wrong way to put it, Sidd. If the problem was, for example, that you were too available, always talking to her whenever you had the chance/calling her too much, being less available doesn't make you a dickhead. (Dickhead is a collection of strong negative qualities). Again, we need more from you for better answers to your problems.

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Really good stuff!

Bingo.

Yep. The usual reasons.

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Confidence counts.

Piercing eye contact counts.

Sexual chemistry counts. (Remembering that it's physically impossible that there will be chemistry with every woman you meet).

Having other women in your life counts.

You can be technically a "nice" person and possess the things above. AS A MATTER OF FACT, when you have a freewheeling optimistic attitude and you do something "NICE" she appreciates it even more because it shows you're mature and have depth of character where you're not putting up some little boy 19 year old 'dick' facade.

Not that you're afraid to say 'no' to her and have your own opinions.

Just don't put her on any kind of pedestal - she is human, no different than you.

You're the real shit, she knows it, her friends know it and the girl you're going to meet up with later that night knows it too. So does the girl you see on the street and stop and talk to on the way to meeting her.

I haven't read the comments but I see Ocean and Jackzero, so I'll assume this has already been said and say it anyway:

Nice guy = boring guy, said in a way that hurts your feelings less.

Probably incapable of taking hints, leading and making moves.

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I grew out of the dumb shit I used to say on here. Most of my posts don't represent who I am today at all.

Im extremely nice to women.

Theres nothing wrong with being nice, but there is something wrong with putting people who haven't displayed that their worthy of your niceness before yourself. Why is it that you're nice to women? Is it just because thats what you were taught? is it because you want them to like you? Is it because you want something from them? Whats your reason? If you're just being nice just to be nice i wouldn't respect you either. You ever have someone trying to sell you something that starts asking you about how your days been going, and you're like " Just get to the point... You don't really care" its like that.

Nice guys niceness is usually attached to an agenda that they are often unaware of. Im being nice because I'm a nice guy, not because i want people to like me. I don't give a fuck whether or not I'm liked. I'm happy with me. So just as I'm nice, and i can easily be a dick if the person in front of me is deserving. Women will often test " nice guys" to see if they're nice or just plain weak.

So i wouldn't say you're a nice guy; probably just a weak one.

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Spot on....

Nice is a good thing. In the vocab of hip hop artists it means to be dope, tight, good.

I.e. 'when we auditioned for the record deal we wanted these motherfuckers know that we were NICE.'

nice is nice.

just don't be a push over.

Merry Christmas Sidd.

Firstly, depending on their age and social and educational backgrounds, certain types of girls are attracted to dickheads. If you're naturally nice due to your upbringing, don't spend time and effort trying to get laid with these girls. You're just wasting time.

Secondly, certain types of girls actually like nice guys. You should focus your time and effort on these girls. Be friendly. Be physical with these girls (play with their hair, hold their hands, get closer, etc). And most importantly, isolate them where no one else is looking.

I have met this guy at uni who plays this nice guy persona so well he gets laid like crazy. Heck, he's too available, he talks with girls for hours, he's unassertive and he's needy as fuck! He's everything most of the active forum regulars here DON'T want you to be. Yet he gets laid with girls who like nice guys.

There are many ways to cook chicken. At the core of seduction though are sexual escalation and isolation.

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