Hey Guy's,

Was just thinking that as a newbie of a couple months, checking the forum regularly, obtaining some of the frank and honest knowledge of some of you guys, I think it'd be cool to hear some of your back stories?

I'm sure some of the other new members would agree?

The likes of Jack Zero, Arch, R.C and Eddie seem to post very regularly and I for one certainly appreciate the efforts.

How did it all start for you? Were you just like us?

Look forward to hearing from you.

Bren

I'm hardly Eddie Fews or a "senior PUA" but I've improved my dating life a lot. I'll give a little back story. I'm from the UK so sorry about any terms that you might not use where you live lol. You've opened yourself up to a shit storm and I'm about to deliver my fucking life story:

As a child I was really shy. I remember seeing school friends out of school and I'd pretend not to see them - they'd be shouting me real loud and I'd just keep walking and then deny that I even heard them if it ever got mentioned. Even though I had friends, I'd just do laps of the edge of the playground on my own during school breaks somtimes because I was too shy to even "open" my friends lol. They made me see a psychologist because I was always staring into space in lessons etc and couldn't really focus. They determined that at 7, my reading and spelling ages were 14 and 19 but that's all I remember - because I saw it as something to brag about at the time.

I went to secondary school and eventually noticed I could make other students laugh and make friends by being a dick to teachers. By the end of the first year, I got kicked out of that school. I started a new school the next year and had the same habits so after about 3 months I got put into isolation for a week with the other retards - I was there for 3.5 years but did get myself allowed back into 50% of classes. Half way through being at that school, I ended up with the "popular gang" and pretty much thought life was made. Obviously had to carry on being a prick in class to show off and keep friends. About 3 months before exams, I got kicked out of that school and put on "study" leave but did no studying. I came back to do my exams but I just didn't care about them - I got sent out of one of them for being a dick to a teacher. Would love to go back and slap myself. By the end of school I was still a virgin because I was too shy to have sex even when girls offered (at least 5 had, too. Ffs) I'd had one blowjob but that was from a mentally unstable woman in her 50s and I was 15 (imagine that if the genders were reversed? Lol)

Lost my virginity not long after school - I was drunk and got beaten up in a bush, so then I went and found a fat ugly girl who I knew liked me... asked her if she wanted sex, then took her to the EXACT spot where I got beaten up (for some reason) and had the worst sex in history. I tried to force myself to cum because it was boring, but ended up pissing on her

After school, I went to college to do art & media for all the wrong reasons. During my dinner break I'd go and get drunk with my friends and not even bother going back to college in the afternoon. Eventually the college just told me to drop out before they had to kick me out. I'd get pussy about once every 6 weeks but it was just a blowjob.

In 2009 my group of friends pretty much crumbled when one guy did something fucking stupid and shit got awkward.

Had a girlfriend for 3 months but it was long distance. Cheated on her twice with two real bad sluts, owned up to it all and got dumped. Chased her from 2006-2012 then walked away (she came back this year and I had to reject her - that was hard). Anyway, after I got dumped by her I got another girlfriend who was a slut... we kept cheating on eachother. I was getting pussy but it was from low quality girls. We broke up and I didn't have sex for 3 years lol - that includes an on-and-off "relationship" for a year, during which she was "making me wait so i don't lose her for sex" but fucking everyone behind my back. By this point I was 21 years old and Googling "how to get your ex back" which is where it all started for me but all I picked up was "pretend to be bored of her" and "let her message first"lol. Eventually I walked away from her and the whole situation was the worst experience of my life. The story behind her:
We met on MSN messenger through a mutual friend and bla bla bla... ended up in a relationship, but she kept cheating and cheating. I walked away but she begged me to come back so I did. Fast forward and one night I couldn't get in touch with her. I'd phoned over 100 times and was "worried for her safety" (bullshit) ...eventually her friend answered and said "fuck off stalker shes with her fucking man upstairs" and eventually he comes on the phone like "yea I've been smashing her you fucking pussy, what are you gonna do?" - at this second I physically felt something click in my head and thought it was some kind of mental disorder being triggered, lol. I walked away and every so often she gets in touch saying the biggest mistake of her life was losing me (she has a boyfriend and a child).

After her, I fucked two girls and got a blowjob - all low quality girls, and then didn't get any action for around two years because I felt too shit about myself to even put effort into girls. I still used PoF and stuff like that just to flirt with girls; I was more than satisfied with knowing that I "could fuck her if I wanted to" lol. I spent most of my time playing Call of Duty and didn't have a job or anything at this point.

So yea, PoF... I spoke to a few girls but I remember this one girl messaging and the conversation died out. I think I may have ignored her or something but I barely remember. Thought PoF was boring after that. I got a Facebook friend request from a fucking amazing looking dancer, horse rider and nurse... thought life was as good as fucking made. Couldn't believe my fucking luck! We really seemed to hit it off and for the next 5 months she was my life! We hadn't met, lol. I was telling her I loved her, during our ~20 hour Facebook calls. It used to annoy me that her webcam didn't work. She had a fairly local accent but lived 120 miles away. She picked up the accent from her Dad who grew up like 40 miles from me.

...fucking OBVIOUSLY she turned out to be a catfish. She was the girl from PoF that I stopped replying to and she wanted to see if I'd reply if she was hotter. I got a message from her ex boyfriend explaining who she was and everything, talking about how she's crazy and the stuff about him being abusive and beating her up was all lies because he's never even met her and lives in America. I couldn't fucking believe it, lol. I'd known deep down that she was a catfish the whole time by the way that all of the shit just didn't add up - the fucking accent alone was enough, ffs.

3 months after that, on NYE, I got a message from a girl that I was friends with (she lived like 100 miles away but that's only ~90 minutes) - she asked me to go to hers soon and I said yes. We were just friends but I could tell something was happening. We had a conversation once about how we're gonna kiss in person, lol. She said I could sleep at her house, so I obviously went to see her. I took my laptop with me and we sat in the same fucking room TALKING ON FACEBOOK BECAUSE I WAS SO SHY!!!! then when we eventually went to bed... after about 15 minutes I decided to make the smoothest move of all fucking time (this is embarrassing) - I said "soooo..... what about that kiss then?" at which point she just laughed, asked how long I'd been waiting to ask that, then rolled over and faced the other way for about 5 seconds. She was just fucking with me, she turned around and started kissing me. I left it there because I was a retard. We did get into an 18 month relationship from that point, though. That was the first actual girlfriend that I'd had sex with. Fucking moronic. We eventually split up due to me being needy as fuck. I begged her to come back and she told me to let her think about it for a day or two - it took her 7 days, for which I didn't eat (I had one mouthful of chicken and couldn't swallow it), didn't wash and didn't really do anything apart from sit around in a jumper and underwear watching PUA and "get your ex back" videos. Started finding out about the no contact rule etc. 1 week later it turns out the guy I'd been talking to about her had been telling her everything I said, and told her I had Tinder, she said she just wanted to be friends so I walked away. 6 weeks later I came back but that didn't work so I walked away "for good" (we recently started talking again but it's more her talking about how good the sex was and me awkwardly laughing it off because I don't wanna get involved)

After that breakup, I dived deep into pickup. I spent too long looking at material which turned out to be counter productive and a huge fucking waste of time. Eventually, I forced myself to get some approaches under my belt, couple of same night lays etc came from it. My gay game and text game got really good, my (sober) night game was fucking dreadful so I'd have to be hammered to do anything. I got some real good results but I was only focusing on women and not my life in general - I was still in and out of dead end jobs that I hated.

Eventually I decided to go back to college to do Maths & English, and after those I did accountancy (currently on my third year) which is going well. I started dating one girl exclusively and that's going reasonably well - there's more drama than I'd ideally want but it's not bad.

Been a bumpy ride but I've had some fucking great results when it comes to women. I've still got fucking miles to go, though - I've got some medical shit that I'm currently going through, I'm still living at home at 27 - a lot of people around here do, but that's just not a good enough excuse for me anymore (hoping to go to university in 2017 and move out) and I also don't have a job, currently. I was making very good money from home on my computer but the source died out and it just wan't sustainable anymore so I had to stop. I'm reasonably happy with how far I've come, though. I'm by no means in a good position and I'm a few years behind with my life, but I'm excited for the future for the first time ever.

As for women, I'm still exclusive with that same one and if I wasn't I'd pretty much feel like I was starting over, lol. It'd be fucking hard for me to just walk up to 3 girls and start flirting now. A LOT of girls like me now, though. I've constantly got girls from the past talking about how much hotter I am, or new girls indirectly asking if I've got a girlfriend etc and going out of their way to help me with shit. I spend most of my time looking for some temporary work and studying. I pay my way to live at home and would rather be homeless than survive off the bank of Mom, so most money that I do get goes straight back out at this point.

Quite a lot of rambling there but I'd imagine there will be some relatable points.

One thing I want you to pick up from this, is to focus on more than just women. Focus on your life 70% and women 30% at the most. That's why I've kind of gone out of my way to communicate that I'm still a "loser" in some ways. Realistically you're not a failure until you give up, but I'd give anything to be 18 again and do what I'm doing now, then. I can't stress it enough, try to become better in life before you even consider trying to become better with women. My biggest mistake was focusing on women while still neglecting my life and my goals. I've got momentum now but the regrets are still fucking huge.

I feel like I should write nother 10 paragraphs about how my life would be better if I started earlier, lol. But I won't.

Final points: most guys here either started because they were still a virgin at a certain age, or they wanted an ex back. The ones who want a co worker or something to fuck them never usually stick around.

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J,

Fantastic insight and thanks for taking the time to post.

I think you're 100% right in what you said about focusing on you first, you're own happiness and self worth. As you said yourself, you've got the momentum now and it's no surprise that these "back in the day girls" are commenting and feeling the vibe you're now giving off.

By the sound of it, you're fully committed to your journey and I certainly wish you all the best in it. Your experiences will probably stand to you moving forward and make you so much more rounded that this stuff will be a drop in the ocean.

We all have regrets, most wouldn't be here if they didn't but it's using those feelings as motivation to be a better person, inside and outside of Game.

I definitely see that demographic that you mentioned though, of guys that got Oneitis, or the guy who wants an ex back as being the main catalysts for making the discovery.

Again thanks for taking the time and all the best.

Bren

i thought i was the worst case,although reason for me getting into this was and wasn't my ex gf or virginity,i wanted to have choice after breakup,which i do now,but long road to go yet

I think I've told my story a few times, but basically, I lost my virginity by being in the right place at the right time the night before I enlisted in the military to a girl that was also enlisting and didn't want to go two months without sex. Before that, I was convinced that I was unattractive to most women because the friends that I hung out with seemed to always have girls coming around them.

After basic training, I entered into my tech school and had girls starting to be "nice" to me...3 of them in particular. Even at this point, I couldn't even fathom that they were actually expressing interest in me so I just played it cool. Then one of my buddies said that we were going to rent a motel room off base and two of those 3 girls were coming along. We were all hanging out in the room and the girls said that they were going to go out and get drinks. My buddy asked which one I wanted. I said I wanted a particular girl but I didn't know if she was interested. He told me that they both wanted me and he was going to take whichever one I didn't want. The girls came back with cheap alcohol and condoms. They were trying to act like the condoms were a joke...so that got into my head and I still had doubt. It wasn't until my buddy pulled the other girl into the bed with him and turned out the light that I knew what was really going down.

So I got sex from a girl that was targeting me...so naturally, I made her my girlfriend. Her grandfather passed away a week later and she went home for the funeral. Naturally, I cheated on her with another girl the weekend she was gone (I still hadn't gotten used to the idea that women actually liked me). I started developing a reputation as a guy that got a lot of women and most of the other guys wanted to hang out with me because of it and I bought into it. I bought into it so much that it actually became the truth. So the 3 months of my technical training, I had sex with at least 15 women. That continued onto my OTJ training because there were people that remembered me from my former base and the reputation continued and I felt obligated to make sure to keep up that image. I was probably the biggest asshole in the world when it came to how I would attract and use women. I look back and I'm not proud of all of that.

I started to feel burned out after about two or three years and I started just hanging out with girls without intent. Then I tried to become a "better guy" and that stuff didn't work for me. I got into pickup at about the time I was leaving the military. A lot of it to me explained why I was having success with women when I did but most of it hurt my game. At that time, most pickup was based around approaching women with your guard up or routines that you could fail with and just blame the routine.

My zen moment was when I realized that all I needed to do is be the same guy I am in front of my friends with women, but at the same time not hide the fact that I'm attracted to them.

Hold on...I've gotten promoted to Senior PUA?

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Jack,

Thanks for your input,

So in your own way you figured out you were almost natural in a round about way?

I think by and large, the majority of us don't want to be here discussing canned routines and methods, I quickly realised wading through this stuff that being the best version of yourself and grabbing life by the balls is really the only method you need to convey an attractive persona. Just like J pointed out also.

Being congruent and showing that intent makes you vulnerable but also attractive as Mark Manson would attest to. I know you've mentioned 'Models' before and genuinely as I read it, I kept nodding and thinking he's describing me.

I've made such good progress even in the few weeks since joining and 'Models' to me was a big help!

Thanks Jack,

Well in my short length of time here you've posted some great info and I suppose to me you're one of the more active and experienced posters.. It's much appreciated.

Bren

Everybody is a natural in one way or another. The catch is that you'll generally attract girls that you consider to be as attractive as yourself - if you view yourself as a 5, you'll attract women that you view as a 5 and fluke the occasional 7. When you view yourself as a 9, you'll attract women that you view as a 9. The quantity side of things comes from taking action, being able to notice when girls are checking you out instead of being a pussy like me and Jackzero were and thinking "nah she's making fun of me" or "nah the condoms were just for a joke" lol.

The only difference in my opinion between a guy who is a "natural" and a guy who isn't, is that the natural has a little more self esteem. People like to blame it on looks but I disagree. There's a great looking guy on here called Nathoonder, who theoretically should be naturally brilliant, but his self esteem is awful so he hardly gets any women. There's a guy named Dragula who is just average looking (don't get me wrong, he's not ugly but he's not George Clooney either) and I'm 99% sure the guy could seduce his way off a murder charge lol

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I kind of dislike the term natural while I think that most guys take it as a badge of honor. When I was "natural" and getting girls I couldn't tell you what I was doing right to get them at that time. Since I got involved with pickup, I can tell you that I know when girls are interested and pretending not to be, pretending to be interested when they're not, how to turn around a lot of girls that start off uninterested, and my favorite of being able to take a girl that's original interest was in someone else. Naturals tend to be environment specific and need the conditions of the room to be optimal for them and that's why you see most of them in bars or clubs.

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Cool stories. I read them all and wanted to share my, glorious adventure.

In 2010 (I think). I failed in high school so I had to repeat my 2nd school year. I meet this guy who was all confident and shit and wanted me to meet one of his girl friends who's (allegedly) interested in me. Let's call her Trixie (couldn't think of any other slutty name). There were ton of red flags that I didn't take seriously like:"I still have feelings for my ex", "I'm taking medicine for my anxiety issues". And she had number 666 in her username on facebook. HELLOOO!

So, we finally meet. I dig her, she digs me. And I remember asking the stupidest question ever. I still feel the cringe when I tell this story to other guys. So, we're sitting on a bench, I hold her hand (btw. it's 20 minutes into our first date) and I said: "So, what do you want? I can be your boyfriend or I dunno... What?".

I felt so stupid and confused because she didn't know what to say. Anyway, fast forward to my bday. She get's all dolled up, there are about 20-30 people at my house, and we are having a party. I promised some of my friends there'll be bunch of girls from whom they can choose. The problem was, Trixie did invite her girl friends, but most of them were fat, ugly lesbians with heavier balls than all of the man combined that night there.

I pull Trixie into the room of my parents, I lock the room, we kiss, she lays on the bed. Closes her eyes. I LEAVE THE FUCKING LIGHT ON. And I...

And I...


And I.....



....LAY beside her. Close my eyes. Thinking how WONDERFUL and great and romantic I am. I "brush" her hair, thinking how she's probably thinking I'm THE BEST BOYFRIEND THERE IS. She probably thinks and she was right, I'm the nicest person ever. I don't want her pussy, I want her HEART.

Anyway, we made out and that was the pinnacle of our relationship. At least I protected myself from getting any STD's (*cough)

I forgot to mention that my best friend was there also (Let's call him Mr. Fucktard), and here's when things got ugly. So me and Trixie got out of the room, and everyone is screaming like "WOOOO, did you fuck HER?", and I was just nodding my head like:"You couldn't even imagine".

I started to clean shit up, I didn't want my house to be in a mess, and Trixie was gone. PUFF! GONE!
I though, she's probably in the bathroom, I knocked, no one answered. I looked everywhere then I remembered, the balcony is the only place I didn't check. There she was, trixie with Mr. Fucktard, apparently just talking.

It was time to leave. I needed to show everyone the path to the nearest bus station. On our way I asked Trixie about the balcony thing and what the fuck was that. She's like:"I don't know, stop, you're making me nervous". And I as the NICE guy didn't want to push her buttons. She's just upset.

On our way back, Mr. Fucktard tried to convince me how she's not the type of a girl for me, and eventually I'll meet the right one, so I shouldn't worry about her.

Days pass by, Trixie ditches me more and more, until that day when one of my friends told me they saw her (or they think they did) leaving Mr. Fucktards' home multiple times. As it turns out, they were fucking behind my back for a month, so HAPPY BIRTHDAY to ME: Cross De Lena, have a dick, and suck it.

It was the most heartbreaking moment in the history of mankind. Earth stood still. No sunrises anymore for me. When I remember the days after the incident I was just, so, so down I felt like shit for 7 or 8 month.

Other friends got into gym. But It wasn't right for me. I joined the town library, and read about 2-3 books per week. I also remember my first book about "pick up" was Doc's Love - The system. And it's very good book so I still recommend it to all the people who are new into this. Since than, I can tell I'm a changed man, and If I had to sum up few most important things that I learned trough the years, it would be:

1) Invest in yourself - FIRST
2) Looks don't matter
3) Girls feel attraction towards you based on how you feel about yourself.
4) In every interaction with women, there IS ALREADY attraction. You just have to push the right buttons.
5) Don't be NEEDY but show her you want to fuck her.
Women want to be desired, and they can't help themselves if you can make them wet.
6) Always lead.
First date? You pick the venue, you take her hand and lead. First sex? Change positions whenever you want, however you want, how long you want. Tell her you WON'T FUCK her unless she sucks you off first. Then eat that pussy. And you have to be satisfied first. Treat her like an object in bedroom.
7) It's 50-50 in everything. Bills, effort in relationship, drinks, it doesn't matter.
Sometimes make a date with her and cancel it so you can go to drink with your friends. Never ignore your family, friends for girlfriend.
9) HAVE A PERSPECTIVE in your life. Girls want TO be you n1, but not really. They want you to have some inner desire that drives you forward. And she has to know you can live without her.
10) Flirt, always with other girls.

Emm... If I remember anything else, I'll comment

Cheers.

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Hey Cross,

Oh can I relate to this one, not nice when you finally wake up from Nice Guy Syndrome and cringe at some of the shit that was staring you in the face.

Thanks for your story cross, again you're really pushing home the importance of Self Development and it's so vitally important to making progress.

It's amazing how we're all in this for one of like 3 reasons, sort of like J said.

This was what inspired the thread as I was curious how some of you guys, the longer serving members that have progressed in this life, originally got here in the first place.

Thanks again

Bren

To add on to the tragic nice guy stuff... I once went down on a girl on her period (the one who treated me the worst lol) ...fell asleep drunk before we fucked.

Anyway, ~3 weeks later I'm going down on her again and she asks to fuck. I say ok but because I was a pussy I was soft. She says "I'm not sucking it" so I say "that's ok. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do" WTF!?!? I KNEW she was a slut and I said that shit? Hahahaha

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Np Bren. Most guys are static when there's a problem in front of them and then they just just blame girls. So, I think this "searching for the answer" gives us an edge.
HAHAHAH!

Not sure, I think you wrote on some other post about you going down on a girl who was on period. Man, that's rough.


- MAXIMUM CRINGE

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Yea... I was one of those guys who could get laid now and then when an ugly girl with no standards and a slutty past gave him a chance, lol. I kinda took what I could get, and I've got SO many embarrassing stories from pissing on a girls hand (think I listed above) to getting shit on my bed.

I'm just glad to be one of the guys changing it.

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You guys were tragic.

That's exactly what makes the stories so good.

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