Couple of years ago I started working out and developed a really cool nice looking body.

I went to this part island in Croatia for the summer, where there was a lot of drinking
and partying going on. I thought now that I have the body, surely I will get girls
easily.

It turned out to not be the case. I was walking through the beach, showing off my
masculinity to girls who, to say the least, didn't give a shit about my body.

I realised that it was something else, it was the confidence and the charm that
truly gets women. If you can be the kind of a guy who is so comfortable around
them, approach them and engage them - your body doesn't matter.

To give you an example, as I was on that party beach, women around everyone, guys
showing off their buff bodies and stuff...I see a fat guy walking proudly, with 2 hot blondes
under his arm.

I first thought he was rich or something like that, but then my friend told me about him. He
wasn't rich, handsome nor had a great body.

But somehow he was able to be the guy women loved.

Why?

Not to go too deep, what I've noticed with most guys is most of them have outside confidence, which
means they depend on their car, or their money, or their looks for their confidence. But some
guys have inside confidence, meaning their confidence comes from something on the inside, and it's
not attached to anything outside.

So the fat guy was walking with a certain sense of freedom, he approached women and engaged
them. Even if at first they weren't into him, he'd just have that approach that would bring down
their barriers.

So to conclude, all those things like body, money or cars CAN and will help you, but they are NOT
the determining factor in whether or not you get the girl.

The determining factor is your confidence - is it outside or inside?

Hope this helps,

That's just not true.

I keep saying this yet this debate rages onward. All you need is to avoid social repulsors. Don't have bad breath, don't be significantly overweight, don't stink, get a decent haircut and some clothes you have bought within the last year or two. Tada.

Not to be rude, but wtf are you talking about.
So you are saying that the SAME person who has all what you mentioned AND great body won't be more successful by even a tiny bit in comparison to SAME person having all what you mentioned AND a bad body?

I mean seriously wtf

YES, having a great body (in comparison to everything being the same but with a bad body) will make it easier. That is 100.00% correct and undeniable fact. How can someone even question it is beyond any imagination.

And women aren't aroused by visuals like men are.

My main argument against going full bodybuilder neurotic about your appearance is that the gain in going from in decent shape to ripped is small compared to the effort required. The gain in going from obese to average, though, is much greater. Diminishing marginal returns, dawg. Work on abs less and go practice game more.

Disagree. It is true that women focus on other qualities, but they still prefer nice bodies. Who doesn't?

No one wants to be with a fat ass.
Or, don't be lazy and do both.

That's not the context of the thread, though.

What reality do you even live in?

Not to go too deep, what I've noticed with most guys is most of them have outside confidence, which
means they depend on their car, or their money, or their looks for their confidence. But some
guys have inside confidence, meaning their confidence comes from something on the inside, and it's
not attached to anything outside.

My main argument against going full bodybuilder neurotic about your appearance is that the gain in going from in decent shape to ripped is small compared to the effort required. The gain in going from obese to average, though, is much greater. Diminishing marginal returns, dawg.

This is another point I wanted to make. Add the fact that you’re going to be going to meet women with a top on almost all of the time… a lot of wasted effort to get the (likely unattainable for most guys anyway) body in the video.

At this point, I honestly have to ask you if you go outside.

Women, like men, can tell when a clothed person has a great body. I see a lot of guys with great game, but they have hunched shoulders, paunches, and pizza tits (women can tell if a guy has these with his shirt on).

Here's the answer you're looking for. That body won't make getting girls easier. It will make attracting girls easier. I hope you guys can understand that.

I've hung around some gym rat meatheads and most of them don't have what it takes to keep a girl interested because they didn't have an attractive persona.

That's true.

But at the same time, you can still be a gym rat who reads Margaret Atwood. It's not a false choice. You can do all the things.

And the ratio of gym rats who are bad with women is the same as poker players who are bad with women. You still need that emotionally-centered consistency that soooo many men lack.