i have been told more than once by some of the members that
"ALL GIRLS HAVE GAME"
this is sooooooooo not true.
i know just as many socially awkward girls, as i do socially awkward guys.
insecurity does not discriminate. everyone suffers from some form of it. guys aren't at the huge disadvantage they are pretending to be.
the fact that you all describe the women you are sarging by a number rating of attractiveness would make any girl question herself.
futhermore, some men believe that they can get any girl in bed by going through a precalculated system of events. this is belittling.. knowing that it can actually work is even more embarrassing.. i thought women were supposed to be complicated??
i understand not every PUA is out to use women, but lets be honest.. they do exist.
the fact of the matter is, the door swings both ways. when it comes to meeting new people, everyone is being judged. its just a performance.. who can hide their insecurity better

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"..All you can do is put on an appearance of confidence sometimes. And after a while, others will start to believe it.. And then you die."

If women have game. Why don't I ever see them picking up guys like at the mall, gym, club, and bars. Lets see a girl approach a set of guys and start talking to them and have wing.

The game yall say woman have is gold digging. I know girls who go out on dates just for a free meal. Come on now! The whole buy me a drink speech too. All I hear is give me your money because thats my game!

So when women start picking up guys like that. Thats when I will believe they have game.

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I see anger in your post and i dunt know what its directed at...there is no need to flip over anything anyone says here.

I do beleive women are more naturally socially compitent then men. Even woemn who are socially akward have the power over AFC's. Women for the most part also get more practise with social interaction then guys do, thus they become better equiped to deal with it. I beleive its Mystery in his books who points out that women get aproached many times more then even the best looking guys. This in and of itseflt allows women to build a set of tools to actively select whom they are with.

Maybe the best way of putting it is id say the majority of men do not understand or control the interaction they have with the opposite sex, whereas the majority of women have a intuition that allows them to control the interaction. This is why when a guy has sex its called "getting lucky"...ive never heard a girl have her girl friend tell her she "got lucky".

Also there are alot of us who shun the terms such as h8#. I for one do not use the HB system...check my FR's and other posts, the only time i use the rating system terminology is when im talking about the system itself. The ONLY use i see in said system is to gauge the persons preceived value, in other words the way they rate thier own attractiveness...and even at that i can just measure that in 3 relative terms.

-More attractive then me
-Equally attractive to me
-Less attractive then me

Keep in mind this is THIER preceived (not realistic) view of the comparitive physcial apearences. Based on my reading this determines how i treat them.

Id agree there are PUA's who are all about women. However for the most part the majority of us are here for different reasons but it mostly comes down to simply being better people. I spent the first 2 months solely focused on inner game and becomming the Alpha of my social circles, which is an ongoing and never ending effort.

For someone who says they dont look down on PUA you seem to be very upset about some underlying part of what we do. I hope you find the information you need to change that mindset and realize that studying social dynamics helps everyone. We become better people and help brighten the lives of the people around us.

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"Be the same, only better."

KA......I could kiss you!!...NO HOMO!

Very well put!

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maybe it's me but she seems to have taken on a totally different voice. does anyone else think she sounds like someone who is just interested in a research project? think with your heads, not whatever you think you have dangling

On average females are more verbally adept than men, this is truth.
But when it comes to game, id say no. I think it is easier for a female to play her role in a romantic confrontation.

It's ironic that this conversation came up ... it was just last night I was talking to a friend and who has only had 1 boyfriend and that was only for 4 months. She was telling me that for some reason the guys she likes always become friends. Women have LBF issues as well. So I started asking more questions. She told me about a couple of guys that were hitting on her. So I asked what kind of openings she was giving them? She asked what I meant. I asked did you flirt with them? She said I don't really know how to flirt. I could of slapped her if she didn't live on the other side of the country. I told her to do something ... anything to show interest. Maybe break the physical barrier by grabbing his hat. She said one guy noticed she was on facebook at work and he said "Can I add you to my friends list." I told she should have said something along the lines of "So we can only be friends, huh?"

I think the core of her issues is that she is afraid of rejection ... I don't think she is alone. I think that men have the difficult task of making the approach ... however women have the difficult task of opening herself up to vulnerabilities. Therefore, whatever the goal of a PUA is ... to get laid or to find the woman of his dreams ... you are charged with the responsibility of being a man, getting over your own fears ... and helping the woman get past her own insecurities.

Ok, you got my attention femfatale. I agree with most of your points, begrudgingly, but your posts are laden with a sarcastic and cynical attitude that undermines your message. Quite frankly, it sounds like you need to be bent over and plowed hard for a few hours, just to get the knots out of your system.

So we agree that women are people too, and that like men they have their insecurities. But you're wrong about one thing: not everyone tries to hide their insecurities in the field. When I'm in the field and gaming, I think of it as presenting the best part of myself to my audience. However, I won't hesitate to tell a girl if she's making me shy or if her actions have an effect on my emotional state---if that makes me less alpha or less dominant then so be it, it's simply who I am at this point in my life. I've met women that aren't afraid to share their insecurities with me either, often within minutes of getting to know me.

The funny thing is, if I cold approached you and didn't choose to tell you, you would think I am the smoothest, most self assured, most dominant alpha male you have ever had the pleasure of meeting. I just choose not to go that route, because hey...it's too much work channeling all my energy into one aspect of my personality for some stranger I just met.

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"Quite frankly, it sounds like you need to be bent over and plowed hard for a few hours, just to get the knots out of your system. "

so at first my jaw dropped, then i started laughing.

but with out responding to that particular comment... you make some good points.
and i was in a pretty bad mood when writing that, so please excuse the undertones.

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"..All you can do is put on an appearance of confidence sometimes. And after a while, others will start to believe it.. And then you die."

Yeah I know that hit the spot.

If you are a woman, then don't be too concerned, others with worse attitudes and grammar have come for a quick tryst on these boards and vanished just as quickly. If you are here to learn and have fun, then welcome and make yourself at home.

Of course we have had men impersonating women impersonating men impersonating...uh where was I...anyway, it'd be good for you reputation if you could supply some proof you are indeed a fem-fatale---especially after that little debacle in the "unmasked" thread.

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