Guys, I do get that in order to fuck lots of women you need to develop a cold hearted streak. I am now getting sick of bl**dy saying it but yes I get that I lost that particular women through "weakness". I admitted that from the start in fact, but it was certainly an eye-open as to exactly how true that was. I am learning here...

Yes I admit that in many ways my entire mindset is still "too weak". I get that there is a learning curve and work to be done. Nobody seems to believe me but yes. I am here in listening and learning mode.

BUT this comment worries me.
> 6. Believing in karma, justice, and unicorns.

Is there no middle ground of any sort?

Look I am here to improve my self as well as improve my sex life. But what kind of an epitaph do you guys actually want: "He fucked a lot of women, but was a coldhearted mother fucker with no sense of justice."

I mean is fucking a lot of women enough? Where if anywhere does any sense of morality or actually making the world a better place fit in?

If you guys are serious about not believing in justice or karma that is quite a statement.

@TheMajikalMethod speak to me of love.

I admit that was a strong statement, and fairly broad if taken in the wrong context.

Let's just narrow justice to 'feeling of the heart' arena for a moment.

A woman, can, and will go through a 1, 2, 5, 20 year LTR, and if her attraction level drops, or gets sided in another direction. She will SHUT THAT SHIT DOWN. She will turn her connection to you OFF like the light switch in a public toilet.

Can you do that?

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No ship. You don't need to develop a cold hearted anything. The only thing you need to develop is yourself, and your understanding of women.
What is it with you and fucking a lot of women? Who here said this is primarily about fucking a lot of women?
There's no such thing as objective morality, for one. If you think something is immoral, according to your own values, then don't do it.
Secondly, you make the world a better place by becoming a man of value, and then bringing value into the lives of those close to you.
There is not one poster who even remotely suggested that. You are the only one interpreting as such, and that's because of your preconceived notions about this community.
No, there is no karma.
Yes, there is justice.
No, life is not always just.

And I'm sure you're smart enough to have understood that. You're far more likely to get what you think you deserve if you actually go for it, as opposed to waiting for it to be handed to you.

Now ship I gotta be honest with you, your understanding of this community is very limited. And your understanding of women and seduction even more so. I don't say that to offend, but it's highly evident from your prejudiced and extreme views.

Becoming an attractive man that is good with women is not about fucking as many as possible and then deleting their number and never talking to them ever again.
It is about having fucking options. It is about becoming a man that women want. A man that chooses with whom he wishes to spend his time, IF he wishes to spent his time, and HOW he wishes to spend his time. As opposed to a man that will have what pretty much whatever he can get.
It's about quality of life.

You ask about middle grounds yet you're the only one that is apparently incapable of seeing beyond extremes.
Do you honestly believe our goal in life is to fuck as many women as possible, spit in their face once we're done, wipe our dicks on their window curtains and storm off never to be seen again?
What the fuck kind of distorted view is that?

If you truly want to learn then start being having an open mind. Understand what you are being told. This is not a scheme. These are not tricks. This is not "how to fool women into fucking you".

This is How can I improve myself and become an attractive man.

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IMHO opinion it's not about fucking a lot of women, just the good ones.

Absolutely! But don't worry about the middle ground right now, when you need to re-learn the foundation (beginning ground). You can employ portions of your sensitive side with women after you've reeled them in a bit.



I believe, and know only two things to be fact:

The only thing that matters in the end is how kind you were to other living things on this planet, and having a great time with gorgeous women.

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Confused. Can I do what precisely?

Either way you are personalising this thread. I started it wanting to understand the underlying principles.

To get clear, no I've not done a major survey of opinions and attitudes amongst this community. They are genuine questions as why would invest my time in researching exactly how a community feels if at first impression some of their values may be toxic? So no, of course I haven't. But they are genuine questions nonetheless, because I feel in my bones that there has to be middle ground where I can develop as a human being, become better as a human being and not become someone whose morals and values are beneath contempt.

To get clear, no I have no intention of violating my own moral code. And no, I do not need to fuck lots of women in order to feel good about myself.

To respond to your points:

I got the "coldhearted" thing from the strapline off the senior members of your community:
> Heywood Jablowme
> "Being a coldhearted mother fucker wasn't exactly what I had planned on
> doing with my life, but here we are."

To be fair it was also he who doesn't believe in
> 6. Believing in karma, justice, and unicorns.


I got the fucking lots of women from a seminar a "Sinn Daygame Seminar"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv72hxgLxw
It sounds like Sinn has fucked and probably continues to fuck a vast number of women.


Arch says:
> IMHO opinion it's not about fucking a lot of women, just the good ones.

> The only thing that matters in the end is how kind you were to other living
> things on this planet, and having a great time with gorgeous women

Again the clear intention is to fuck MULTIPLE women. Maybe just all the 10s or all the 9.5s ?

Does no one here even aspire to be with ONE women?

How would you feel if all the women in the world went on gaming courses of their own so that they don't need to get sucked into having sex with any man who is more ugly than a 9.5? Think about it.

UPDATE: I have started listening to Mark Manson's book "Models - Attract women through honesty". NOW, we're talking. I'm only at chapter 6 but so far what he says makes perfect sense to me. And I have to say is pretty much at odds with several of the views expressed in this forum.

I shall shut up now and read further.

Congrats on ignoring everyone until your preconceived notions were confirmed by that retard Manson lol.

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A'right, I'm done here.

Although DJ here takes issue, I always agreed with Manson and his views. And I always suggest his books. Didn't read the new one, but Models is his first. I frequently encourage guys to pick it up.
If he can speak more sense to you than I can, that's great.

I don't think I can make it any more clearer than I already have.

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This is sooooo boring, Ship. I can just see you talking to a woman like this and having her eyes glaze over.


It's not about that. It's about getting GOOD with women so you can keep the one you want.

You're still engaging in this roundabout circle of ego protection rather than coming into this forum with an open mind.



You fool. You repetitive, circular logic, overly sensitive fool.

To get and keep your dream girl, you need to be GOOD with women. You can't just fucking kick a 60 yard field goal one day after never having kicked a football.

What don't you grasp about this? Are you really this thick?


No, it really isn't.

We've been telling you to be congruent with your desires. You played patty-cake-friend-land with your dream girl and you creeped her out.

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Screw your ad hominem/personal attacks and stick to the issues I am trying to discuss! Jeeze! Or are you that thick that this is actually impossible.

Excellent 'polarisation'! DJ_Z you are one guy whose views I shall totally to ignore. Thanks

You're completely hopeless, Ship.

I'd wish you luck, but then again I'm sure you'd fuck that up, too.

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It's not an ad hominem, it's a conclusion.

If you do talk to women in the same manner you've done in this thread, it's no wonder they want nothing to do with you.
Hell, half the posters over here don't and they're men.

Take that as an attack and get nothing out of it, or as legit criticism and sleep on it for a while.

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There's no such thing as shit-tests.
How to keep a girl.

Why, why, WHY must you keep wanting to bring ME into it? You simply just can't resist it, can you?

It's pathetic. What's wrong with you people? Do you have zero mental discipline?

Can we please discuss the issues in question here? "masculinity", "strength" & "leading"

If you have nothing sensible to say on any of those subjects please shut the fuck up.