Hey guys,

There seems to be quite a lot of similar stories of LJBF and the likes as I look through the forum and it got me to thinking, have any of you guys turned the tide and reversed these scenarios?

If so how? Certain techniques used?

Interested to hear any stories of how you guys did it as I know we've all at one time or another been given the usual lines!

Bren

Let me put things into perspective for you. You're virtually asking:

"There seems to be quite a lot of similar stories of guys breaking a glass and the likes as I look through the forum and it got me to thinking, have any of you guys managed to unbreak the glass and reversed these scenarios?

If so how? Certain techniques used?"

Most guys that get the LJBF talk get it because they "play it safe". They don't make their intentions known from the beginning, they don't flirt with the woman, they present themselves as friends and then suddenly try to make sexual advances, although everything they've done prior screamed platonic.

Now direct rejection like that is usually a last resort for women. It's not their default. They will have sent plenty of hints before that. Her actions will have denoted it too. But the guy will be too needy and desperate, and, to use Eddie's metaphor, will keep pushing on a door that clearly says "Pull".

So no, you can't unbreak the glass. But you can not break it in the first place.

There's no magic line that will undo all the damaged you've done days, weeks or even months prior.

Plus the only reason why you'd ever try to "turn things around" with one woman, is because that one woman is you only option.

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R.C,

Very well put, great analogy!

Generally speaking we end up in this situation due to as you said lack of sexual escalation, however do you not think there is the opportunity to re-build attraction at a later point having identified your own personal short comings?

Just speaking hypothetically, as you see so many products now almost catering to this phenomenon!

There is. However most guys will look for bandaid solutions and think it's doable in 2 weeks time.

The ironic truth is that given enough time, yes you can re-build attraction. However that implies personal growth, fixing insecurities and neediness, and general quality of life improvement.
You know what that leads to? It leads to becoming and attractive man, with higher levels of confidence, which in turn leads to meeting new women. And that's the irony. By the time you can rebuild attraction with that one girl you met a year ago, you won't want to anymore. Because now you have better options.

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Absolutely agree,

Personally my downfall was not escalating and leading enough... Was given plenty of opportunity and I can't blame the girl whatsoever.

There's a certain release to knowing it's you that needs to change, rather then the classic "Why is this happening to me" hate the world denial!

There's knowing what you would do differently but implementing it in you life is where the real confidence and improvement comes, creating that attractive man!

So there is this one girl.........

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There is a way.

However, you had to have received oral sex, or fucked the girl. If you have not, it's absolutely pathetic, needy and sad puppy behavior. Stop contacting her forever, and game other women.

If you did have sex with her, proceed.

1. Pull back. For months.

2. Hit the gym.

3. Show up near her with another girl (re-sexualizes you).

4. Text her, "hey, up to anything fun these days?" a week later. If she responds, arrange a meet within 3-4 texts. Escalate at the meet up.

rinse, repeat.

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I disagree on one point. This can work even if you haven't had sex with the girl. The only thing that you would have to add to Arch's steps is when you show up with the new girl, give ljbf girl a simple greeting and pay no attention to her afterwards.

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Doesn't have to be a with a girl you ever had anything with. If the next time she meets you you're different it's chill. If the next time she sees you you're not different around her... then it makes no difference.

While physical change is necessary, inner change is just as necessary (or even more so so you don't repeat past mistakes). When they can sense a change in you... it's often not just physical... this intrigue them as you being different... feeling like a different person. Yes physicality helps with that, but so does mindset, innergame, self-confidence. Hell you can even simply have a different wardrobe from a physicality stand point, this may make her think you have a different job or different world going on now.

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OP..... Everyone's advice here is a bit wrong, simply because this situation is not the LJGF situation youve made it sound like. You dated a chick for a couple mths, had some issues with trying to fuck, she kissed a guy, you blew up and she ended things. Its not really a LJBF, its a dump. So hitting the gym and being near her isnt going to really work as its not a social circle thing. Maybe she sees you out one night which is highly unlikely. As Eddie said, she probably just moved to the new dude. All you can do is re initiate down the line over text and move on to other women. There was some very good advice, but this isnt a friendzoned situation, its a dump, and you refusing to move on.

Yes, it does make a difference, and no voodoo or "magic texting" will fix it.

Do you know how to tell when a woman really likes you? She gets on her knees and unzips your pants.

Unless that has happened, she's simply not that excited by you. Reality can suck sometimes. So go out and find a woman who is excited enough by you to unzip your pants, not friend-zone you. If you haven't even had oral sex and then you get friend-zoned, you FAILED. And if you continue to go after a woman who you didn't have sex with who friend-zoned you, you look clueless and perhaps creepy.





Who cares what she thinks though? We're talking about a woman who wasn't all that into you...to the point where she refused even a hand job then friend-zoned you.

That's an EPIC FAIL. Have some respect for yourself and game women who are excited by you. Guys who pursue this avenue look dopey as hell. There are a ton of attractive women out there, and they like to have sex on the first date. Find them instead of wasting time on this bullshit.

I absolutely stand by my point to completely move on if you get friend-zoned and there was no sex. The man has failed to lead, to act dominant, and to be congruent with his desires.

Think about how pathetic this is for a second: A woman, whom you never touched (and I don't mean, you, poeticlyskuac, just men in general), preemptively friend-zoned you because she never wants you to touch her.

LOL.

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I just love it when people waste my time because they purposely withdraw facts.
I don't get it. You guys think that just because you don't mention the critical part of the story it magically translates to real life and erases it from ever happening?

God dammit. I need to look up post histories like neo.

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OP read this.

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Well... but if you change from an inner game standpoint she won't matter anyways. Which is why I'm big on making inner game changes, don't change your physique change YOU... so she doesn't matter.

It's absolutely pathetic but you matter of factly stated something that was obviously not true. There are several women that I've gotten with that were "back in the day" girls when they seen me as something different. It's fine if you want to make a point that it's kind of pathetic it's another if you want to state something crazy like move on you'll never her fuck her if you haven't already. That's simply not true.

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Gents,

Been away all weekend and didn't realise there was any replies!

In my own situation, yes there was Oral, yes there would have been sex had I not had performance issues and yes I know that it probably led to a Negative energy and self confidence, which probably led to her loss of attraction!

I know these things now as a member of this forum, and I will make every effort to change my inner game as I know that's what's holding me back the most!

It led to me not escalating enough and ultimately getting the It's not you it's me speech!

I started the thread as I was curious as to what other guys have experienced and if they've managed to make a change!

I'm not needy or pathetic enough to pander to this girl not before and certainly not now!