Again, a guy joins a forum dedicated to picking up multiple women, for advice on ONE woman he has oneites for.

Then 'sucks up' all the proper good advice, then rhetorically 'spit it back out'.

You know Bro, you don't HAVE TO do any of the shit they suggest. you could just follow her on twitter, worship that fine ass after you pay for her dinner and drop her off at her front door, so some other swinging dick can stop by to 'watch a movie' and destroy that pussy you just spent $60 at Applebee's on for three more years. "Cause yeah, that will happen.

Good luck Bro.

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Example?

Yes, that makes sense.
Correct. But can you have both?

Point of order: Is the advice here all about getting lots of fucks from lots of different women are are meaninful relationships discussed here to. Honest question!


> You don't buy a car without taking it for a testdrive,
Yes, good point. You don't go into a car showroom (or a moroccan souk) and declare your hand showing you are desperate to buy anything. But neither do you go in pretending that you have no money at all. You go in indicating that you have money and that you MIGHT be interested. i.e. I think we agree.

> Manipulative and dishonest is becoming someone's friend, when in fact you secretly
> want to fuck them. Constant self improvement, building your own happiness and choosing
> someone worthy of sharing it with is about as honest as it gets.

Yes pretending you don't want to fuck them when you do is manipulative and dishonest.

Learning how to talk better, relate better and fuck better to women is broadly a good thing.

But how far are you going with this - are you honestly claiming that none of all this PUA material is manipulative? Honest question.

There's medicine and then there's pseudo medicine.

There's how to be an attractive guy and how to pretend you're one.

If you go for the latter the results will be just as good as trying to treat cancer with silver leaf.

So yes, there's always weeds among the crop.

The advice on here is about how to be a man women want. What you do with that, whether it's gather a harem or find a wifey is up to you.

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Hahaha...this is what most guys try to do and flies in the face of the type of advice that you'd get here (unless you're listening to autoregressive's advice). Please point out where anyone is telling you to become a woman's friend when you're secretly trying to fuck them. The advice that you'd get on this forum is not to let the woman believe that the two of you are just going to be friends and to make sure that you are viewed as a sexual option.

It's funny how people view pickup as dishonest when it's probably more honest than the average guy's way of approaching women. The fact that you show up here with the intent on seducing this one girl and at the same time thinking that pickup is dishonest and manipulative says a lot.

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Look OP, everything in your life is a direct reflection of a choice you've made. If you want a different result, then you need to make a different choice. Stop playing victim to the circumstances you created.

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I think men are more or less forced to be to some extent dishonest and manipulative by extremely good looking women.

The problem is that men are visually turned on immediately they see a 10. If they are completely honest they would walk up to that girl and say "Would you like to fuck me?" and in normal life this is deemed offensive because you are treating the woman like an object, not a thinking/feeling/interesting intelligent human being.

So to avoid causing offence and getting rejected, the naive/normal guys ("AFCs"?)pretend they aren't interested and try to befriend the 10 to get a chance to show her what a great guy he is. Yes, that is dishonest and manipulative.

But the PUA guy initially pretends he isn't interested, but very quickly starts to "escalate". He is pretending that all this attraction is something to do with interacting with the girl. At this point his is becoming more and more honest about his intentions. (Unless that is he pretends that he is in love when really he just want to fuck the girl.)

But surely having this entire cunning plan of all the stages he intends to reach, step by step and all the little gags and routines he has probably planned and practiced, is intensely "manipulative" because the girl is conned into thinking that it is something to do with her interesting personality that is getting the guy interested. Whereas the reality is that on balance the average guy would like to fuck a 10 no matter how dull her mind was.

Conclusion
I think the only completely honest & non-manipulative guy is the one who gets rejected.

Frankly any guy who gets a 10 girl must have been to some extent dishonest and manipulative in order to pull her. Even James Bond doesn't just say "Let's fuck" even though no doubt that is what he's thinking.

This.

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I think you're in an old PUA mentality that isn't really advisable anymore, especially for us "not for profit" guys. There are a lot of guys out there that are way too afraid of rejection and attracted to the idea of not having to reveal themselves so that women chase them and they are taken advantage of by the PUA industry. If you want to be successful with women on a more consistent basis, you have to put yourself out there and not fear rejection.

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All of this 100% spot on.

Ship seems moored in false equivalency to the point of not properly digesting the advice given.

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Arch it's a small point, and I'm going to shut down this thread shortly to assist my moving on form the whole unfortunate experience, but are you arguing that isn't "remaining slightly mysterious" and "Minimal texing"
is not "deliberately being aloof"?

Guy doesn't like the advice, goes on to dismiss pickup entirely.

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If you're talking about me you are factually incorrect. If you don't believe me too bad. But just reading the title of this thread isn't helping me forget and move on.

Either way getting bored now of these (sometimes willful?) misunderstandings.

I'm a noob so keep that in mind when i say:
1) There is nothing wrong with being in love. Thinking of yourself as less, or weak because of it is pointless.
2) We fall in love and make fools of ourselfs. Mystery did it, x did it, all did it.
3) There are posters that are in their early and mid 20s that are playing a numbers game ex: try enough times and you'll get % results=success. This is correct IMO for learning, but useless for when it actually matters.
4) Have you flirted and been sexual with other women while in HER presence? This is important IMO for her to see you as not only sexual, but desirable to others (gelousy is a huge turn on)
5) IMO she likes you, but she wants and waits for you to show more masculine and dominant behaiviour. Tell her less questions, and more statements (we are going here, instead of do you want to go there). Call her and say "i'm going there, you want to join me?" instead of "do you want to go out". Do what you want to do, and she can come along.
6) Date other women.

You're becoming tedious, Ship.


Follow the advice or jerk off. Your choice.

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