Hahaha.. yeah, only you have it figured out. Get real – most guys here can’t get to B.
Dumb bimbos excluded, mind you.
What a pathetic attempt to go off topic. It has nothing to do with this thread.
If you were half that smart you’d figure out just how limited your ability is to figure out actual cause-and-effect in human interactions. You exhibit typical hubris of a self-styled women “expert.” I’m married, what are you? Single and ready to mingle? My wife wasn’t my first, either…


I didn’t come to this thread to write about what to do. I came here to point out what NOT to do. The former would be completely off-topic. “Introduce yourself and hope for the best” – hahaha. I’m sure you think you’re special with some bullshit isolation and kino-sex-up maneuvers. Most normal guys call this “flirty behavior” that needs no special lingo or planning. Unless they are clueless wussies – OK – when these guys actually introduce themselves to a girl they like, I’ll tell them just how to flirt. Giving most guys some paragraph game plan for a nightgame “approach” that goes A to Z will result in failure 99/100 times. It’s too much to take in all at once. A to B first. Then to C. Then so on and so forth.
I used to do something along the lines of the triangular gaze naturally – long before I even heard the term.
Now let’s say you weren’t as good with women, then you did some research and learned some of these terms and what not. My point is simple… some are straightforward enough that you don’t need to “practice” them.

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I'm not the only guy that's figured it out, plenty of others have. However, if a guy needs help I'll help him get to Z.No. It's evident that you believe PUA is all the stereotypical shit with linear game and is more concerned with quantity over quality. A guy that's good with women connects well with women. If he has good intentions while being good with women, once he finds the girl that's worth settling down with he can do it without negative repercussions. But I've said it before, you're judgemental and it shows.If you were half as smart as me, you'd realize we're on a forum with other guys that are attempting to be better with women. We discuss the things that we do to make ourselves better with women. We talk about cause-and-effect in human interactions with one another. We talk about the things that give you more of an opportunity to help a man be more attractive to a woman.

Although you may be married, that doesn't translate to being good with women. I know plenty of guys that are married and unhappy today because they settled for what they could get. Just because I am single doesn't mean that I don't have women that want to settle down with me.Lol...you make a statement, so me responding to that exact statement is off topic. The problem is that you can't back up your statements and you will avoid them at every turn.Since you NEVER provide detail and spend most of your time defending abstract points, judging and making assumptions about people, and doing the occasional name calling...your actual advice is boiled down to just introducing yourself and be friendly and to let things naturally develop. You may not like how I've described it, but at least own it.

Most normal guys are bad with women. Sometimes breaking things down into components makes concepts easier to understand. You may not appreciate the special lingo, but at least it serves a purpose.

Here's a solution. Pickup is an art form and every artist has their own style (although you seem to try lump us all together). You say that you have a better way. Create a post and outline what a guy should do for generating lasting attraction for the purpose of a relationship with a well-rounded female. That way the guy who is looking for advice will understand A to B and then come back later so he can get to Z. How you give advice currently will leave a guy hanging when he actually does make it to B.

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See, this is what lack of experience means. This isnt a movie where you tell a guy, go flirt with that chick you like, he somehow knows how to flirt or you coach him and it goes ok. A new guy has a bunch of sticking points that are holding him back. He has approach anxiety, he doesnt know how to open, he doesnt know how to keep a conversation going, he doesnt know how to have a good conversation, he doesnt know how to get a number, he's afraid to get a number, he doesnt know what to text, he doesnt know how to set a date up or have a good one, he doesnt know how to get her somewhere isolated, he doesnt know how to go for a kiss...etc etc etc. He gets better at these sticking points by practicing, ie going through them over and over.

Now, is he going to be incongruent for a while and possibly some chicks can tell? Sure. He'll weird out some chicks, offend some chicks, look like a pussy to some chicks, look like an asshole to some chicks, look like a creep to some chicks. But thats the process. Shouldnt be a reason not to take a focused effort in something because chicks will "know." Same way if you're 400 pounds, you're going to feel self conscious walking into a gym. Thats not a reason not to go.

As to research, I have yet to see a study that says much that can actually help a guy with women. Now, most schools of PU are gonna say the same general shit: look your best, sense of humor, dont be needy, make moves, be manly etc. Doesnt take a study or a research paper to actually validate this. I dont need to know that her attraction is linked to her relationship with her father, or what time of the month it is for her. Thats unnecessary.

See, your advice isnt new. Its been around since Cosmo magazine came out. And thats why many guys who have tried the whole go flirt thing seek out PU. Cause it doesnt work. I urge you, please go out and actually meet a new guy and give him that advice.

As to all that cause and effect, I'll crush that quick.

Yes, with experience and PRACTICE, you CAN establish cause and effect. See, again, this is what you dont get.
The point is, you meet, interact, date and fuck enough women that you know how the variables are affecting the situation. For eg, if I go out to a club right now, get a phone number, I know whether its the chick was super interested off the bat, or whether the chick was just lukewarm. Because Ive experienced super interested and lukewarm chicks so much that I can pick up on the difference. When you say that you cant, it just shows you dont have experience. YOU can't establish cause and effect. Because you dont have the experience. I can tell when a chick liked me off the bat, when she was lukewarm but I "shifted into comfort" and won her over and thats what sparked the interaction, and generally have a good idea how my actions are effecting the outcome...because I've been in that situation so many times. Same way if you played enough basketball games, you know when the outcome was due to you being on fire that day, or the other team sucking.

Whatever your sticking pt is, go out there and blast through it. "Living your life" isnt going to help with approach anxiety. It may help with conversations, a bit, but PU and dating is so much more than being seen as a interesting guy.

Me too. I’ll help him get to B first, though. That’s just my way to do it. This should be crystal clear now.
You’re right, the vast majority of PUA is indeed like that. So why wouldn’t I or someone else think that, assuming they are impartial? I thought this forum was a repository of some sanity in the “get better with women” world and that’s why I picked it for posting/interacting. Lots of good stickies here. And the last sentence = pot & kettle. Heh.
Oh brosaif, youz so smah’t!
And in this thread… for the last time, my only goal was to point out that “setting aside time to sarge” is basically the equivalent of making your life revolve around it, which is pathetic. And I’m in good company, even if not in this thread. I’ll let the future readers find my POV and come to their own conclusions.
Married doesn’t guarantee happy, for sure, but hey, I figured out what I wanted, dated around and then found the one since I knew what I was looking for. On the flipside, what are you doing?
A) Not attracting the right ones since you aren’t in anything serious.
B) Overvaluing yourself and waiting for a Jessica Biel clone with a medical degree and a heart of gold. Good luck with this one.
Couldn’t care less which it is, really. Just pointing this out.
You nailed it. If my “pickup advice” was ten chapters, you’ve summarized the first one! Again, I’m not writing A to Z until the guys shows he’s capable of going to B or C first. Did this sink in yet? You don’t have to like my way, I don’t care.
And regarding abstract points? That’s 99.9% of PUA “advice.” Vague bullshit. But hey, sometimes the guys asking for advice don’t know how to ask or explain themselves. Self-perpetuating bullshit. Utterly hilarious coming from a guy that seems to advocate explaining A to Z in a hurry. This is what you whine I *should* do to help guys (go from A to Z) and then you say this and contradict yourself. Bravo!
Jack, if I had 48 hours in a day, I’d write some (hopefully) “sticky quality” posts that summarize my “way” or at least the research I’ve read on attraction. Yes, I do believe that actual attraction science is what’s sorely missing in most PUA advice. There are never any citations or holistic reviews. Just bullshit. One day, I hope to find enough time to write something of *quality* which summarizes this stuff, for the purpose of helping guys maximize their odds of attracting women (both passively and actively). I don’t want to half-ass it. Even then, a large guide, even if more detailed, can be too broad. In which case, it'll suffer from the same "vagueness" issues that plagues the majority of PUA advice. For now, due to time limitations, I have to stick with shorter, more specific posts (often just A to B!). I also prefer to keep things short because it lets me focus on a specific situation that a guy will have to deal with. I do believe it’s better than nothing, and I do try to cherry pick threads to reply to. This one just rubbed me the wrong way.
Research can have two things: 1) specifics 2) hierarchy of importance
That’s a big help when a guy has limited time to improve himself.
The amount of practice and note-taking would be tantamount to an actual scientific experiment. That would involve hundreds of trials, if not more. Good luck “fucking” 100 girls to whatever Casanova that you want to train. Most who are bad with women are also dummies. I firmly believe they are incapable of performing even a half-assed version of what is necessary. “Living your life” is a bit cliché, I’ll admit, but it basically means taking self-improvement really seriously. That’s a long-term solution. Sorry, I’m not delving into specifics here, but I’ve made a post about why guys “fail with women” and basically solving all these issues should turn things around for anyone (will repost below). Too bad that most guys will never get through the list, as it can take years. Maybe 5-10.

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That's what you don't get. What happens when the guy meets the girl he wants while being friendly as you suggest and then goes to the cafeteria with her. What's next? You've just left him hanging. That's shit advice. Who have I judged? Who have I called pathetic? You insult people because they see things differently than you. Where do you see me passing judgement like that?Silly statement. If someone set aside time to relax every day...that doesn't mean their life revolves around it.Or it means that I'm happy and fulfilled with my life and don't need a woman to justify my happiness.You do care. Otherwise, you wouldn't respond. The thing is that when we answer questions here, others come along with similar situations or have made it to B. But we already know there is no next step from you. This is why it's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about. You don't even get the point. An example is when a guy asked how he could meet a girl in his class, you gave him some advice to be social and friendly and then ask the girl to lunch in a place where everyone would be. That advice sucks on a lot of different levels, but the real problem is that its hollow advice. If you're fine with giving out a book with no words then you've achieved your goal.This sums you up perfectly. You talk about not wanting to half-ass it, but your posts are half-assed. Think about it...someone wants to do better with women and you write a post that has no real substance because you don't have the time. If you don't have the time, don't half-ass it and fuck someone else over. Respond when you do have the time to give a quality response if your goal is to provide someone with direction.

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Is this from Dr. Phil? It reads like a guy who has never even tried pickup, but wanted to show a girl how nice he was by "disproving it". It is real, I've done it, others have too, where you walk up to a stranger, attract and fuck her.

Autoregressive is just a symptom of the problem that I want the rest of you who read this thread to understand. He says putting aside ANY TIME to practice pickup means that your life revolves around it. That is the sort of hyperbole that people will use to try to keep you in your box. He doesn't believe there is structure, or skill, or technique that you can use today to help yourself. Now JackZero and others have been pointing out that I haven't said anything crazy yet here.

Rather than just keep saying its real, I'm going to demonstrate. I will begin posting videos to the appropriate section where I will do basic drills and inform you of the results I experience. No, they will not be in-field (I don't know the laws regarding recording people in public where I live), so you are free to believe/disbelieve. But I will be thoroughly explaining to you what it is I am setting out to do before I do it.

Please, guys, please do not let attitudes like those belonging to Auto or similar ones in your personal life derail you from doing this if it is what you are striving for.

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I seriously doubt anyone will be reading this topic past the first few posts. I doesn't take a college degree to realize that autoguy has no clue what he talks about.

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Do you really assume that everyone that posts on here asking for help is that clueless? Who’s being implicitly judgmental now? It’s perfectly rational for me to assume that he should be able to use his head and figure out that if the cafeteria ‘date’ goes well then he can set something up for a future time – such as a weekend night date for something spicier. If these people are incapable of rational thought, they can’t really be helped. It’s not like your posts outline every detail of what this guy would have to do to get to “Z”, or you’d be writing a goddamn book every time. You’re shitting me, right? You’ve called me “clueless” because MY opinion differs from the status quo (of this thread, mostly, and old school PUA bullshit). I’ve offended the die-hard “PUA” dudes on here and the butthurt is obvious. I just try to give rational advice that’s worked for me or others around me regarding women. That’s all. Are you training high school kids and jobless bums? Do you have a job? Most people with jobs or taking college seriously have limited free time. Making that free time revolve around “practicing sarging” is basically making their life revolve around it. Hence why my suggestion of forgetting that bullshit and just meeting women as they come – anywhere. Use your precious free time to do things that you enjoy otherwise or that benefit you in the long run. Oh right, you’re just going to keep sleeping around for shits and giggles. You don't want to build anything meaningful and long-term with a female. I got it. That’s cool. No clue where that “women and justifying happiness” blurb came from, though.
He needs to get to know her first and see if they click. Do you seriously want him to set up a weekend date right away? That’s a potential waste of weekend time he could spend with another more receptive girl. As mentioned, I’m assuming I’m not dealing with a total retard. Retards can’t be helped. Did I really need to mention that he should also set up a more private follow up date later if the cafeteria date goes well? That’s how normal people met in college when I went – meeting at dining areas, hangouts, the gym, etc - not trying to stick their dick into a girl on a Friday night first-date pretending to be a wannabe Picasso of Pussy armed with some bullshit “seduction technique.” You did go to college, right? Mine was a suburban campus. Lunch/cafeteria/whatever dates easily led to weekend dates that got steamy. It’s hollow advice only in your opinion, which as this point hasn’t even been substantiated by an explanation. Thanks for offering nothing! Hahahaha, you’re hilarious. Even if you posts are slightly longer, for practical purposes, they are just as half-assed. You think writing an extra two sentences will take this guy to point Z? Keep dreaming.
Yeah man, keep practicing the snake oil techniques. Ignore all of the real problems that brought you to “pick up” in the first place. I totally get if you need to practice getting rid of ‘approach anxiety’ – but after that all of that horseshit ‘technique’ you learned on some blog isn’t going to help you get anywhere meaningful. Are you like Jack_Zero? Free soul just trying to sleep with a ton of women with minimal effort?
That was deep. I’m totally convinced that you know what you’re talking about, though. That post count is what matters! Sorry to see you so butthurt

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It has nothing to do with post count, but with content quality.

Yours in non-existent.

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I've been here long enough to see that vague responses don't help people. I don't assume people are clueless, but if they are asking something simple and you don't give a complete answer...they are going to mess up. We see it time and time again here.I'm not calling you clueless in a judgemental way. I'm calling you clueless because it's obvious you don't see the problems and pitfalls in your advice. I see it through experience. I see it because other people follow your advice and end up here. You're clueless because you lack practical knowledge. I'm not judging a group of people pathetic because they don't live their lives the way I believe they should live it. Use your precious free time the way that you want to use it and not worry if some judgemental asshat doesn't like it.Why are you so worried about what I do and my relationships with women? It isn't hurting you in any way. Or is it that you just want to pass judgement on my lifestyle? I get that you have no clue about a lot of stuff when it comes to women...but my point behind that statement is that you gave me options A and B and they were both incorrect. I was helping you understand. Maybe I was having an autoregressive moment and didn't explain it enough for a person incapable of a rational thought.That makes absolutely no sense. You're in the cafeteria for 30 minutes because you want to see if you click, but you'd end up on a weekend date that gets steamy. I can teach you how to cut out the middleman and not even have to wait for the weekend. But yes, I went to the college after my military service. Got a bachelor's in psychology and my advanced degree is in marketing. I've already explained why your advice was hollow because it lacked detail and you even said why you weren't going to give detail...now you're saying I didn't substantiate.

Here's something that most guys in college figure out. Taking an attractive woman to a place where she or the guy is known is an invitation for a lot of interruptions. While you hate the PUA tactic of isolation, even you have to understand that this keeps interruptions from happening. You won't be able to figure out if you click with a girl if you are getting interrupted. Experience teaches you that. I bet you can't find one person that will agree with you on that statement about my posts. I bet you can't even back it up with an example. However, I'm glad that you can at least admit your posts are half-assed. Admitting the problem is the first step in solving it.Is this your issue? You want guys to try sleeping with women putting in maximum effort? Your advice does go down the path that would make things more difficult.

I like making you talk. You constantly defending yourself allows people to see who you are.

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The irony is real. Thanks for the laugh.
I had no reason to believe that dude was a complete idiot, e.g. a “bart” or similar fool. I just ignore them. Oh well.
I can only offer experience based on my experience and my observations. I have seen my advice work for people and myself. What now? Your experience is better than mine? How do we measure? How do we verify? We can’t. Do you just deal with a more retarded bunch of guys as opposed to me? Pointless discussion. The end. And yeah, most normal people (read: non-PUA dogma followers) would see having your life revolve around “actively practicing female seduction” as being “weird” at best, pathetic at worst.





Because you claiming I don’t have a clue about women is just your little, unsubstantiated opinion thus far (one cafeteria situation which you failed to debunk, as you’ll see below). I got what I wanted (LTR and then marriage), and I can help other guys get it, too. You, on the other hand, can offer advice regarding lord knows what. Inserting a penis into a vagina ASAP while the girl wonders in her head if she’s made the right choice? Bravo, Sparky! No one is going to interrupt you while you sit and eat with her. That’s the most idiotic thing you’ve said thus far. Campus cafeterias are massive, and finding a secluded corner isn’t that difficult. Did you exclusively date groupies? If so, sorry about that! Even IF that was an issue, picking a different-than-usual dining time isn’t hard so as to avoid the “usual crowd.” Thanks for exposing your idiotic “critique” of my suggestion. Stop thinking with your dick. You are so obsessed with sex it’s unbelievable. Your attitude reeks of desperation. Most women who aren’t extremely promiscuous (the vast majority) – the kind I got to know at both the Bachelor’s and Master’s level at competitive private universities, don’t just want to fuck dudes they *barely* know. I offer advice for actually getting to know women, which leads to physical intimacy (sex!!) without any resistance or other bullshit, not sticking a penis into their vagina in record time. That’s your idiotic mental gymnastics. The only thing I said was 1) I don’t want to half-ass a long post about my “way to meet women” due to a lack of free time and 2) if my posts are half-assed, so are yours. Nice try, though. That was cute. No one is seriously going to review your posts unless you pay them.
Who the hell ever achieved anything worthwhile with minimal effort? The guy that won the lottery? Says a lot about you, Jacko. What kind of a career did your minimal effort land you? (Psych and marketing were lazy chick majors, where I went to school, hah.. did you do those to meet girls, too?)
You’re supposed to *genuinely* want to get to know the girl. Genuinely. That means not thinking with your dick, exclusively. Putting in minimal effort results in a lackluster connection with a girl. Girls want to actually feel like they are worth something to a guy. Exception: girls that sleep around a lot. This shit escapes a lot of posters here, you included for sure… Go ahead and make up some bullshit about how it’s not true.
The last you said bit applies to you, too, which is great!

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But this is all completely off topic as it now related to a completely different thread. I’m done here.
As mentioned by me throughout this thread, making your life revolve around “actively meeting women” is pretty fucking lame and not a long-term solution to a lack of success with women. Women are attracted to successful, well-rounded, complete men. I posted a rough outline of what that is above from a post I made ages ago. Fixing those issues for the long-term is what’s going to make you a success with women and in life in general, not sleeping around with random women you barely know or approached only so you could “practice” speaking with them or running some bullshit routine. Meet women while doing things you love doing or doing things which benefit you or someone else, because “actively meeting women” by itself is basically a chore. Love beer? Don’t go out to a dance club – go to a craft beer joint and meet women there. Enjoy volunteering? Meet women at a volunteer gathering. You’ll meet someone you can click with easier, as a bonus. There are wonderful women everywhere. Choose your course of action wisely.

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Look, I'm not going to read your entire post because I should have gone to bed four hours ago... but you keep coming back to this theme and I think I need to reply.

I work 40 hours a week.
I'm taking acting classes that kill one weekday evening a week.
I'm starting a company, which kills two more evenings and at least one weekend day.
I still need to exercise which kills more time.
I rent my house out on AirBnB which takes up random time intervals.

If I don't specifically schedule time to practice pickup it simply won't happen. I've got too many other things to handle to just wing it. I've been trying to for the last couple years and gotten nowhere, so now.. yeah, I've scheduled time to go out and practice meeting women.

You can call that sad if you want, but the reality is that anyone with actual goals in their life (romantic or otherwise) needs to plan to make them happen.

You still half-assed it.Your experience is inefficient and your explanations are hollow. Your advice is still shit and you're still judgemental about things other people may enjoy. Regardless if you view practicing as being weird or pathetic, your view doesn't count for shit when it comes to other people. You don't have a clue, regardless of your LTR and marriage. A clock will be right twice a day. Just because you're clueless shouldn't make you fixate on my lifestyle. Maybe your wife wasn't worth the interruption...but I don't know her so I don't know. However, I've seen it happen when I was at USC and Pepperdine. Both are considered pretty competitive schools. Be honest, who keeps bringing up sex in this thread...me or you? Truthfully, sex is the normal motivator with men so I won't judge you for continuously bringing it up. If you didn't look at your wife the first time and didn't feel sexual desire, I feel sorry for you. If you have experience with more than just a few women, you'd know that you can have sex with women and get to know them at the same time. With some practice, you can get them to want to have sex with you without experiencing resistance a majority of the time.Lol. I work as a consumer analyst for a consulting firm. I work with companies helping them create profits in the most efficient way. While it's only my second year hitting six figures, I am lucky enough to work around a lot of women and enjoy what I do. Again, you're acting like I don't get to know women. Sex just happens to be part of the process. Your thinking is so fucked up that you believe you have everyone figured out when it comes to their motivations. Me personally, I don't go into meeting women and trying to define what I want them to be while I'm getting to know them. I don't criticize the guy that strictly wants an LTR, nor the guy that wants to get laid. So on behalf of the guys that you are criticizing for not living the way you want us to live...Kiss my ass and enjoy your marriage. You're not done. You don't have the willpower to be done.

The bottom line is that you're in the wrong place. Pretty much every guy here isn't looking for that one girl. You're criticizing an entire group of guys that don't share your relationship goals and the ones that do are usually here trying to figure out how they messed up and are trying to win a girl back. This forum is for pick up artists, which you probably should be able to figure out by the forum name. You have a disdain for pick up artists, but you want to post where we post. Why not go somewhere where you're advice would be appreciated. There are forums dedicated to hating pick up. You'd be welcome with open arms. I mean this seriously...your advice to people is trying to figure out if you click and have a genuine connection. Most people that respond to you generally don't like your advice...you don't click with anyone. Why keep wasting your time if it's so valuable?

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Damn Jack, I saw Auto taking shots but this was a good one cant lie. Auto, I'd recommend not the take shots again cause it looks like Jack will just win at the game.

This whole "if you put aside time for something = your life revolves around it" is just bs, and Auto, no idea why you'd double down on that. And all this dick in vagina in record time talk...stay on topic.

First drill will be in the video section later today.

Remember guys, auto is using every fallacy people will use to try to discourage or shame you out of this hobby. The "your life revolves around it if you practice" fallacy that neo and Jack debunked well, the nature fallacy that something being natural makes it better, and some good old fashioned slut shaming as auto constantly implies that only low quality girls will fuck you that day.

It just isn't true. Don't be ashamed to want to do something better, even if social norms dictate you shouldnt. As long as you aren't harming people, I say go have some fun.

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