I have been trying to diagnose why some people are born naturals, and others (like me) have had to work to become good with women. I believe that the reason is partially due to having a father figure while growing up. I myself did not have a male figure to mirror and learn from as a child, and I wanted to know how many other people on this site were the same way.

According to the Institute for American Values in New York City, nearly 40% of American children currently do not live with their biological fathers

Since almost all of the people on this website are not naturals, if this poll shows that more than 40% of us didn't grow up with our biological fathers, then it is most likely a contributing factor to our unnatural abilities to pick up women.

Thanks for participating in my experiment, hope it helps some of you to learn something about yourselves.

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Jason Statham in London:

"I'd much rather regret something I'd done rather than something I was too afraid to do."

"Life's too short to be a pussy."

Well I didn't live with my biological father growing up, but I feel much closer to my step-father and I'd argue that he is a much better male role model as well. I'm glad about my parentage, I just wish I had had friends that were more interested in interacting with girls and that my parents had encouraged me to interact with them more.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Yep, grew up with both biological parents. Still close to both of them today.

Thank you Hobbit for your reply, I believe that what your saying is the true answer behind my poll. It must have much more to do with the actual functionality of the household growing up, and the way they grew up acting in a social environment. I did not receive the clear "Yes" or "No" answer I wanted, but the true answer is much better. Thanks for all of your participation.

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Jason Statham in London:

"I'd much rather regret something I'd done rather than something I was too afraid to do."

"Life's too short to be a pussy."

All the guys I know that are good at picking up girls were girlfriend less, and got picked on in high school. After high school it seems they decided to tip the social scales.

Tip the social scales? Sorry, that went over my head. Could you explain, to me anyway, what you mean by that? lol

The biggest alpha male and womanizer i know grew up without a father, but his mother was young and sexy.

Hey how we all doing?

A natural can be do to many things in the end it is being comfortable and confident. Now speaking from being one prior I would like to explain a few things being a pua is better.

Why?
A pua can always game and get back to his previous level Naturals don't have a clue what their doing and as soon as one thing messes up their equilibrium their done out and lost.

In my case I never had a father figure just was impulsive and loved to have a blast and then a very close family member passed away and I was no longer the natural.

The circumstances for every person are different and this is why there are so many ways to approach game.

ChowforNow,

the--------------------------------------->Saint

"Whether or not you agree with his harsh, straight to the point mentality, truth be told, he’s the most active/ dedicated / motivating member on this board. He’s routinely getting newbies and current members out sarging, pushing them into sets, given them suggestions and advice, replying to posts more often then anyone else. (Come out Wednesdays and you’ll see what I mean). Also, I have not once heard him making excuses about not going out and pussying out. If anyone else can show me this, I will automatically promote you to any status that you want on this board. (including admin).

Now .. I (and others) .. have tried a more sugar coated / feel good approach to getting guys to come out. Truth be told, it hasn’t worked anywhere close as well. I'm dissappointed that with all the free resources, and the cool guys that we have offering free advice, so few people actually make use of it, go out consistantly, and get better with women, instead of dabbling and keyboard jockeying."

"How did it start?Well, I dont know.I just feel the craving.I see the flesh and it smells fresh.And it's just there for the taking."

"Looking at my own reflection When suddenly it changes Violently it changes Oh no there is no turning back now You've woken up the demon in me"

"Only see, somehow it always seems that I'm learnin' or something I can never be It dosen't matter to me, 'cause I will always be that pimp I see
in all my fantasies I don't know your fucking name.So what?
Let's.fuck"

"Scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel, reenergize, and rewind
I give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind

Maybe other guys who are naturals are different from myself... but I've never been able to help it. Women have gravitated to me my whole life (which is probably why I don't value sarging nearly as much as some guys do)

I've always been a leader, a protector, I've always had alot of women around me, I've always negged, I use real IOD's not false ones, I truly am willing to walk away from any girl I meet and I honestly believe I'm a 10... I don't have to act like I'm the prize because I have always believed 100% that I am.

To be honest all that becoming a PUA has changed about my game is... I'm a bit quicker on the kissing draw, I have names for everything I've always done, I dress far more outlandishly.

the Saint, you and I are VERY alike. I had no father figure when I was growing up, but I was still very good with women. Girls always loved me, and I had lots of girl friends. Then several people very close to me died, and it made me withdraw in myself, losing much of my confidence and charisma. Thanks for helping me discover yet another thing about my life.

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Jason Statham in London:

"I'd much rather regret something I'd done rather than something I was too afraid to do."

"Life's too short to be a pussy."

I'm a complete unnatural but I did grow up with my biological father in the immediate family. However, my mother generally wore the pants in the household and my father was always supplicating to her... which represents an entirely different phenomenon altogether.

I'd just like to remind you that correlation does not mean causation. Basic statistics.

Yeah kodierer what you mean by tipping the social scale?

Anyway, I think you'd also have to strongly consider how strict/conservative or lenient/liberal the household that you grew up in was. I'll never be allowed to tell my parents I even like girls. They still want to arrange a marriage for me and I don't live at home anymore.

The other major thing would have to be the friends you have. I think it would be important to have some natural friends and shit. I had all AFC friends until the summer before college when I began hanging out with naturals and stuff who were kept pressuring me to be more confident with girls and life in general and such. That is definitely one of the main reasons I'm here now (although I'm new and not a PUA...yet )

I mean I knew some kids in high school that didn't have many friends, couldn't get girlfriends, and didn't know how to talk to girls, got picked on by jocks to the point they skipped PE on a regular basis. Yet once they got out of school and those social ties weren't binding them, they were able to get higher paying jobs, make more friends, and go from the guy that couldn't get girls to a guy that got all the girls.
Thats what I mean.

i have my biological parents and i hate both of them i still talk to them coz i have to live with them and ive nev er been even the slightest bit natural my dad never taught me a thing about girls and if my parents did they gave me bullshit especially my dad who doesent know how to even make a 5 year old boy happy

This is a very interesting question. I've thought about this a lot and i can't come up with an answer. I have to admit...my father although not very outgoing, is VERY smart...can hold conversations on any playing ground, funny, witty as hell. But he never really went OUT and i never saw him work his stuff on women, i just hear about/meet the women he met after the divorce. But he never gave me any "insights/tips" and he isn't a leader...he can be but i think he's just too lazy. Maybe that's why even though i was the MVP of my football teams, i'd always lazily walk to the back of the line when doing sprints/exercises/when running out onto the field....i didn't FEEL the need to be in the spotlight, now i wish i had done that.

I remember in 8th grade i would score atleast 4 touchdowns a game, strangers would come up to me after games...fathers of all the cheerleaders/players would constantly talk about me....class clown in school..talkative. Basically VERY powerful DHV's that could have led me so many places if i knew about this stuff earlier. I'd have the entire cheer leading team fighting over/calling me but i just wasn't interested and didn't get with any of them....this FUCKING BLOWS MY MIND.

My friends were also not really into "lets go out and get girls" so basically i think we are a product of our environment until we become as conscious as possible and think about what we want in life and go and get it DESPITE your environment. That's my thoughts but this is a very interesting topic...PUA is for smart people that want to become conscious of new/interesting/useful material provided to us in life.