Usually the only reason for staying all night at the clubs or bars is to have fun with friends (often drinking).

Perhaps conventional wisdom has changed. I thought that if you are going to the clubs/bars with the sole intention of hooking up with women then you show up an hour before closing. You walk into the club/bar make a slow circle around the place and approach women that are sending signals that they are available. In the first 5 or 10 minutes you should have a good idea what your chances are of scoring that night. If they are low, then get her number and move on. You do not really need to be in the club much longer than half hour, and at that point you just move to the next club if you have not scored. Worse case scenario you went to 2 or 3 places talked to 5 or 6 chicks and got a few numbers. In the end you have spent the least money, time, and effort as possible.

Also worth mentioning, women do this as well to some degree. The come right right before closing, walk around the club making signals that they are available as they pass guys they like, and either hang out after closing or move to next place after 20-30 minutes.

New people come and go through out the night. As long as you're in a decent sized city.

I dont know why youd only go at the end of the night. Do you need girls to be completely drunk to be able to score any points with them? Is that the only time your PUA game works? If so, that's pathetic. Learn to pick up on girls when they're completely sober, outside of the bars/night clubs and be able to escalate when the last thing on a woman's mind is hooking up - like when she's at the supermarket buying groceries, the library studying for a test or dropping the kids at the pre-school. If you can do that, you can get a horny drunk chic at a club anytime you want.

^A bit outside of the scope of the question. More simply put, a lot of people that deem themselves "pick up artists" go to bars/clubs with the sole intention of picking up girls that are loose and receptive because they have been drinking. If someone has those intentions why spend an entire night or a lot of money at the club, when you can get the same/similar results in a cheaper less time consuming manner? Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with going to the bar/club with the intention of getting laid. Men and women are sexual creatures and both do this^ whether or not they are aware of it or will admit it to themselves. If someone wants quick sex they are not going to head to the library or supermarket. Also "drop off the kids at pre-school" is a red flag, single mothers are a no go.

Personally I am not a big fan of club/bar game, and I do not like going out to those places unless my intention is to have a good time with my friends.

False narrative - bars and clubs are what some people consider to be fun environments, and the most common state of mind for a customer there is not "completely drunk." Also false narrative, that there is something wrong with picking up a girl at a club. It's not a competition about how did it most impressively. The point is putting a dick in a pussy. That's it.

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I think the "show up late" routine is a good one. Not because it's "easier" but because as a man, you should be focused on your dreams and goals, not spending time in bars.

An alpha male has women coming to HIM, and he has a lot of sex at his place, fitting girls into his schedule, not the other way around.

I'd also recommend the 7-8 o'clock bar crowd, as these tend to be cuter women who actually have lives.

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Thank science we all don't follow your idea of how things should work.

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Why dd Michael Jordan spend all day/night at the gym?

You aren't going to be closing if you don't practice and develop your social skills day to day so that you can make the right moves when confronted with the proper situation to close. Not that this is all about closing, and not that all PUA spend all night at night clubs.

You'll usually get good at something after you first learn to love it. It becomes about the love first, and the finish line second. So why does someone do something they love? Because the love it.

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Hmm...he didn't spend all day at the bars. He focused on his career and now has thousands of women chasing him down.

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Yeah and those are mostly groupies who are hoping to get a huge child support check every month lol. His point is, if you want to be excellent at something, you go do it. If you want to be excellent at picking up women, go out practicing picking up women. This whole "focus on your career and women will flock to you" bullshit is for guys who suck at pickup and so try to reframe it as "I don't suck, I just have REAL goals." Fucking a lot of hot women is a real goal, bro.

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Who do you think gets more hot women? Leonardo Dicaprio, focusing on his career, or a janitor who's a good PUA?

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Who do you think gets more hot women? The janitor who works on being the best janitor in the world, or the guy who does it as his job then practices pickup? See, I can make up hypotheticals that aren't evidence to try to make a point too. Next time try some actual evidence.

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The janitor probably isn't very passionate about life if that's all he's doing. And being a guy who's passionate makes it a lot easier to get laid than being some janitor who knows a few poo-ah techniques.

Don't try and be some PUA guy... think more along the lines of Hank Moody or John Mayer. They get laid because they are damn good at what they do and they love their art. And women love them because of that.

Being a guy with strong passion like that also shows you have a sensitive side. Which, outside what all the "be a dancing monkey" RSD videos show, in reality, in bed.... women LOVE a guy who's sensitive.

I don't understand you dude. What are you pushing on people? To learn some manipulative Ross Jeffries tactics?

Be a guy who makes women feel good and sexy. It's not that complicated.

Hank Moody is a fictional character, you retarded con man.

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Is John Mayer not a real life Hank Moody? Lol do you think the idea of a guy like that came out of no where?

There's guys like that out there... I'm one of them. I'm very confident that I could get through life just by my ability to please women and make them feel good.

Hell, I've been doing it for like 4 fucking years now since I started coaching. See, I'm actually not some "retarded con man." I don't sell books or DVDs cause I don't care about getting rich.

I sell coaching because I can actually help people do exactly what i did. I couldn't get a girl to answer my text messages 6 years ago. I've changed. If I can make the transformation, anyone can.

Do you wanna know what I do when I'm not coaching? I'm either fucking my girlfriend, working out, hanging out with my friends, or playing my guitar. Not making nonsense, heady YouTube videos talking about bullshit theories on how to attract and seduce women.

And quite honestly... I don't even need to make money. Cause I could just let the women in my life take care of me, forever, and give a big middle finger to this forum and the entire PUA/men's self help community forever!.... I could just do whatever the fuck I wanna do for the rest of my life and literally live like a Gigalo. Cause I'm not using som silly routine stack or neg.... I'm the guy that women fall in love with.

I've already got one foot out the door because of annoying little shits who post stupid stuff on forums. But I stick around. Cause I like helping people do the same thing with their lives that I did with mine. I get a high off of it. So fuck off guy. I feel like I'd be doing my fellow man a disservice by not sharing what I've experienced with women and relationships.

There are guys out there that women actually like without using stupid little tricks. With some effort, most guys, granted they are not absolutely fucked up can become that guy.

Being a good "pick up artist" might be able to get you laid. But being "the man" gets you a life full of women.

Do whatever the fuck to you wanna do though... Except don't call me a con man. Tough guy.