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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:39 pm 
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Why would you get burned for expressing attraction?
There is a lot of gossip in this scene after I try my luck with 2 girls the third one will probably know and know I am a " player " that jumps from a girl to girl that something that burns you.

That's not how it works, my friend.

Women respect honesty, and the more honest and direct you are with women, the more they find you endearing (and their friends).

It is the "nice guy" who hides his intentions that comes off as the creepy stalker who gets the bad rep amongst a clique of girls.

You go after what you want, and you don't apologize for being a man. Girls want to fuck, too.

And if they are gossiping about you being a "player", that is very, very good news, haha. Women have a few weaknesses, and being competitive almost to the point of insanity is one of them.

If you are an emotionally centered, dominant male, women within a clique will not care if you fucked their friends, they'll still go after it. It's kind of fucked up, really. And the more sex you have, the more this "cologne" grows stronger, and they just pick up on it and want it. It's a really nice snowball effect. And of course you give yourself an even bigger advantage if you're fit, and if you know how to give a woman an orgasm on demand.

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Why would you get burned for expressing attraction?
There is a lot of gossip in this scene after I try my luck with 2 girls the third one will probably know and know I am a " player " that jumps from a girl to girl that something that burns you.

That's not how it works, my friend.

Women respect honesty, and the more honest and direct you are with women, the more they find you endearing (and their friends).

It is the "nice guy" who hides his intentions that comes off as the creepy stalker who gets the bad rep amongst a clique of girls.

You go after what you want, and you don't apologize for being a man. Girls want to fuck, too.

And if they are gossiping about you being a "player", that is very, very good news, haha. Women have a few weaknesses, and being competitive almost to the point of insanity is one of them.

If you are an emotionally centered, dominant male, women within a clique will not care if you fucked their friends, they'll still go after it. It's kind of fucked up, really. And the more sex you have, the more this "cologne" grows stronger, and they just pick up on it and want it. It's a really nice snowball effect. And of course you give yourself an even bigger advantage if you're fit, and if you know how to give a woman an orgasm on demand.
You're right but also missing the point.

The problem here is not fucking two of them and then having a player reputation.

The problem here is getting rejected by two of them and then having a loser reputation.

Because if it's true that women are eager to fuck the stallion, them knowing you got rejected by some of their friends will be an insanely huge DLV because as you said:
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Women have a few weaknesses, and being competitive almost to the point of insanity is one of them.
it also means, that they don't want to hang up with somebody that got rejected by another female ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:59 pm 
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You're right but also missing the point.

The problem here is not fucking two of them and then having a player reputation.

The problem here is getting rejected by two of them and then having a loser reputation.

Ah, I did not see that he has been rejected twice before this.

Not good.

In a clique of women, you go for the hottest ice queen of the bunch. And you make it happen, fast. you arrange a meet up and you have sex, it's that simple. No "comfort over text", no taking weeks to get the thing done, you are congruent with your desires and you make it happen.

This gets you into that group for as long as you like.

but if you start stacking up rejections from single women within this clique, it might be time to branch out to another group, and let the fish in this pool settle back down before you disrupt it again.
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it also means, that they don't want to hang up with somebody that got rejected by another female ;)

yeah, that's true. The competitive thing works both ways. Which is why it's so important to get it right with the first girl. Like you said, women want to ride the stallion, not the sad looking donkey, haha.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:06 pm 
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He hasn't been rejected yet.

He wants to hit a girl and is scared of getting rejected and burned in front of the other females (and males) in this circle.

That's why I suggested something low investment that doesn't give too much away.


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Sure play it 'safe' and set the gay friend/asexual friend frame. Let us know how that works for you.
Works fine for me. It's actually not what I do (I mostly invite them to something active like museums/expos (we have food expos in Rome-Italy like every other week..)) but I did it a couple of times and it worked as well. I mean, you know malls have cafeterias, and you generally move from a place to another, you're not tied to the mall. Plus, again, I live in Rome, going downtown for shopping means going through beautiful places/parks/churches, ruins, ecc, and is very romantic ;)

Don't fuckin act like you're not gonna enter her pants just because the excuse you've chosen to meet wasn't epic. It actually matters very little where you go. abc of pickup is about them having fun, them having comfort (with you) and then escalating. A mall is good for this and gives countless opportunities to do something emotional, much more than lame cafeterias or wine bars.
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i"m a fag,let"s go shopping
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Sure. God forbid you express interest. No no. Fighting uphill battles is the way to go.
Did you even read op?? He said that there's like 100+ women in this salsa circle and he doesn't want to be considered a player. Or, to say it differently, he doesn't want to invite for a date 1/2 women, get rejected and then everybody in this circle will know that he's a loser without standards inviting every girl out.

So his best chance is to isolate a target with something that looks as little tryhard as possible and then escalate. You don't need fuckin shopping, just an excuse for something YOU do, and where she's company for the activity you've choose.
Lol. Never make an excuse when you are attracted to a woman that you want to go out with. It's a false pretense. It'll be worse for the group to find out that he tricked her into going out and then trying to turn it into a date. Second, I knew that the question was based on a fear of rejection and others finding out. I'm sure most of us did. The thing is that no one will care. It's only him protecting his ego.

The real problem is that the OP is approaching this entire thing wrong. I hate using cliche PUA explanation, but he's making her the prize when in fact it should be him. He should try to attract every woman in that entire group by flirting with every single one of them. Making them enjoy being in his presence but knowing that he treats all the women the same. There will be quite a few that will end up wanting to be his favorite and there will be a competitive vibe.

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He hasn't been rejected yet.
Then it doesn't matter. He should just go hard for what he wants.

the only people that you should give a fuck about what they think are people you work with or customers for your business.

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The OP hasn't been rejected. He hasn't even started yet, he should start off on the right foot and be a flirtatious man. It's harder to convert down the road of you haven't been doing it since day one. My circle never gave me a problem if I didn't lie or caused any bullshit to happen. Being a "nice guy" and inviting her out and then escalating will only tell the other girls in the social circle that he's gonna invite you out "shopping" and then try to fuck you.


It's a dishonest approach. My circle girls know if there is a one on one between us I will be escalating. Usually making out happens

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TBeing a "nice guy" and inviting her out and then escalating will only tell the other girls in the social circle that he's gonna invite you out "shopping" and then try to fuck you.
lol, so true. :lol:

When I was just FWB (lasted 3 weeks) with my current girl, she told me about a handsome rich doctor who pulled up at her work in his Mercedes convertible, and asked her if they could go get ice cream, strictly as friends. She was majorly creeped out.

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It's a dishonest approach.
Yup. best way to get the nice guy tag. The one where when (and if ever) the girls talk about you, they look down at the floor and say "Jim is such a sweetheart", without a hint of sexual tone.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:12 pm 
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I kind of get your point and agree, but you're taking it much too seriously.

No woman will think you're going to the fuckin mall with her if you barely know each other to take and get clothing advice..it's a way like another to get to know.

I see it's worst than I thought tho, but you're overdramatizing it.


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I kind of get your point and agree, but you're taking it much too seriously.

No woman will think you're going to the fuckin mall with her if you barely know each other to take and get clothing advice..it's a way like another to get to know.

I see it's worst than I thought tho, but you're overdramatizing it.

Weren't you the one that said betas use comfort ?

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No woman will think you're going to the fuckin mall with her if you barely know each other to take and get clothing advice..it's a way like another to get to know.
Here's the problem with what you say. Women often hate rejecting men and will string them along until the guy that has avoided revealing his intentions finally does reveal them. They may know his intention, but as long as he doesn't follow through she doesn't have to worry about rejecting him...and she may get a free meal or two. These are how orbiters are made.

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Weren't you the one that said betas use comfort ?
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I kind of get your point and agree, but you're taking it much too seriously.

No woman will think you're going to the fuckin mall with her if you barely know each other to take and get clothing advice..it's a way like another to get to know.

I see it's worst than I thought tho, but you're overdramatizing it.

Weren't you the one that said betas use comfort ?
I said you shouldn't build comfort on chat stop that cherrypicking out of context, you've done so twice today.


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Just calling it out how i see it Aqua. I remember you being the same guy that has to "really" get to know a girl before sex. It's ironic how you can be direct in "chat" but indirect in person...

Sure, you make it work, but it's unnecessary work you have to put in when you can be throwing out flirtatious vibes from the beginning

We work differently, I get all the sexy stuff out of the way and work my way backwards. I'm not playing that boyfriend vibe, I am playing the lover vibe, If I want this girl to be my girlfriend then i work my way backwards.


The OP has a great opportunity to turn into a sexual deviant that will definitely work in his favor since he is in a salsa group for crying out loud. Have you ever seen salsa dance ? You can get away with being a sexual guy since it's a sensual dance. OP if you really want to take advantage of your group I would focus on harnessing your sexual side through this dance and translating that to your interactions. Take advantage of the latter.

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Just calling it out how i see it Aqua. I remember you being the same guy that has to "really" get to know a girl before sex.
More like I need good sexual feeling and overall empathy. So yes, I tend to not "stand up" when I don't know somebody that much (unless I know I won't meet her again, then I'm like "who cares", and yes, I know it's performance anxiety).
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It's ironic how you can be direct in "chat" but indirect in person...
Kind of.
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Sure, you make it work, but it's unnecessary work you have to put in when you can be throwing out flirtatious vibes from the beginning
I didn't say I don't flirt on chat ever, I'm saying that I'm having much more success being open and direct and inviting them out. When they say yes, I flirt a little from time to time.


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