A lot of platitudes in that paragraph.

Of course not every girl is going to want you. But from what I have seen in this forum, the number one reason guys end up like the OP is because they aren't leading or being dominant.

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So you're saying my statement has a lot of platitudes right after you state that the reason that the guy didn't get the girl is because he's beta? That's the easiest answer that has no meat behind it that is stated on this forum when a guy loses a girl. "She didn't call me back"...because you are beta. "She flaked on me"...because you are beta. "She keeps turning me down for sex"...because you are beta. "She said I'm not her type"...because you are beta. "She says she's not ready to date"...because you are beta. The beta response is bullshit most of the time on this forum. Go back and read the OP's statement and explain the part that shows that he was being beta as opposed to one of the possibilities that I've listed.

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I offered specific solutions, though. So it wasn't just a platitude.


Weak behavior = beta. Call it whatever you want, have all the semantics debates you want but if you act weak like 90% of guys do, you won't fuck the girl, or keep fucking her.


The OP had the girl, then dithered. The "pre-date call" was a mistake, the voicemail message was a mistake as was not setting a FIRM place and time right away. This is beta behavior.

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Don't call unless there is radio silence. You call that beta behavior. I know a lot of guys that have lots of women that will call and don't have problems. I call women between meeting them and the date and don't have a problem. If you have a problem with it and it doesn't work for you, the reason may not revolve around it being beta but instead a confirmation bias. It would be more of a beta behavior to not call if you wanted because you're afraid of how a woman will respond to it.Most guys don't know what they're doing. Instead of calling it beta...figure out what the core of the problem is. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't work. There are guys that are better at some aspects of seduction than you are.Not a dealbreaker. Flakes happen with firm dates too. I know girls that will make plans when you don't follow up. OP didn't do anything wrong with what he explained.

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Yeah the alpha/beta thing is a platitude as its just too vague and changes. Guy sets a meeting and tells her he will call her. Girl flakes. Well an "alpha" wouldnt have been so eager. Guy moves laid back and she flakes. Well, an "alpha" would have set a date. Alpha is used irresponsibly; to tell a guy he should've been more persistant when she flakes and he shouldve been more aloof when she flakes. As to leading and being dominant, the OP DID get her number. He DID set a date. AND he TOLD her he would call her. Thats leading.

I think to pinpoint what went wrong, if there is something that went wrong, the OP's info is too vague. How was the initial chat about? How was the "number close"? What did he text her and how did he ask her out? What did they talk about? What was the message he left? Could be she was hesitant on the initial meet. Could be a shitty invite over text. Could be he didnt build the rapport needed. Could be the vmail message. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say....girl on the street, if the convo was shallow and just going to be a hookup thing anyway and OP made it too serious with the "calling for logistics" thing, that could be it or part. Phone call is fine, but theres a line between a casual convo to figure out a date, and being the guy who was already way too eager on the initial meet, over texted and then leaves an awkward vmail. However, alot of details are missing.

Like what does "I hope you're ok after yesterday" mean? So many details are missing.

Why does he need to call her and leave a voice mail if he set the date? That's clingy behavior.

The girl sounds hot, probably has a lot of options and just blew this guy off when she heard the voice mail (she didn't blow him off before that). Some girls have a ton of options and are so used to clingy men they will throw shit test after shit test at you early on.



This is probably true. but I'm not a mind reader, I can only go on what this guy provides.



That's my conclusion unless he provides more info.




and that's too much investment so soon, IMHO, which points to my conclusion overall.

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None of it is a big deal. Every phone number doesn't equate to a date. Only thing I would suggest is making the date sooner so that any excitement and attraction doesn't wear off quickly.

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Text and call other girls in the meantime bro.

Every 5-7 days up to 3 times, hit this bicycle girl up with a random shock text.


-G

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