alright boys (as you may have read in my introduction) i am a female researching the PUA community. I am doing this for my senior paper, and (yes) i chose the topic. Over the summer i read the book "The Game" by Neil Strauss.. and fell in love with it. When my teacher informed the class we could write a research paper about whatever we chose.. i immediatley thought of pickup artistry and how it is changing the dating world.
i have to conduct an interview and decided it might be interesting to sign up for an account and ask the real deal how its done. anyone willing to respond to my questions, your answers are greatly appreciated. you dont have to answer all of them if you dont want to.. just please be honest.

1. How did you first hear about the PUA community?
2. What are your goals when sarging? (a relationship, one night stand, etc.)
3. Has a woman ever called you out on using game on her?
4. How would/did you respond if/when a woman called you out on using 5. 5. Do you think using an avatar and practiced openers/techniques is changing yourself to be accepted by others?
6. What is your top score?
7. Has being a pickup artist become addicting? If yes, how?
8. Do you ever use game techniques on friends in order to manipulate them?
9. Does anyone actually use mind control, anchoring, hypnosis? How effective is it? Stories please.
10. Are the girls typically intoxicated when you sarge them?

Thats all i am going to put up for now.. there may be more when i get further. Once again, thanks for the help!!

I see nothing but bad news coming from this report. Well thats just my opinion.

Just to let you know being a PUA is more than gettng women. Its about Social Dynamics. Being more confident and feeling good about yourself.

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Hesitation means Masturbation!

no need to be defensive already.
this is a research paper, not an opinion paper. my opinion of the pick up community isnt a bad one anyways.
and no worries.. this will not be made public.. its just a school paper.

1. Stumbled onto it, Myspace.

2. Building a better social network.

3. Called me out on gaming her, but not PUA material specifically.

4. Probably just discuss it with her. I'm a Behavioral Psyche buff, so PUA material is only a part of a bigger picture for me.

5. Yes. It's far easier to connect with people (ALL people) after learning PUA. I'm connecting more everyone from my friends and professors to my barber.

6. No comment

7. Yes. It's just like any other hobby or pursuit- people want to master it. Plus, the pursuit of a mate is one of the strongest urges a man has, so the temptation presents itself again.

8. Depends. Do I use the social structures that PUA masters have described to increase my social status? Yes. Do I ever run sequences or patterns on someone to just use them, without their consent? No.

9. I've done little bits a few times. I think that for regular use they are *cheating,* because instead of advertising the PUA's best qualities, they are using a woman's mental process against her. Not cool. HOWEVER, if a woman knows exactly what's happening but asks me to show her something anyway, I won't say no. But I put a big caveat on such things.

10. No, I'm almost 100% day game. Nothing night-oriented where I'm at- there's one biker bar, but average people stay away from there.

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Here's a challenge for you femfatale. Pick a couple of us guys (since you want the "real deal") and contact us privately. And, tell us things such as how old you are so we know what we're dealing with. For instance, you're a senior, but in high school or college? Let us know where YOU'RE coming from.

Are YOU up for the challenge? Can you handle the challenge?

Well welcome to the forums. I agree with Tripp in a way, i think youll get the best results actively seeking out personal opinions 1on1.

I think, while you may not realize it, your asking alot from us to just open up and tell you personal information. I take the challenge a step further, id be happy to help you. Send me the questions in PM, however....for every question i answer im gonna ask one too. In your paper your more then welcome to use my handle from the forums to refference me, but keep my pic out of it

I look foreward to working with ya on this, and btw...im pretty sure that once you turn in a paper it becomes public domain as far as access to reading it, so your paper will in a way be made public. Thanks for trying to make us feel better about talking to the enemy (writters not women)

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"Be the same, only better."

Hey how we all doing?

I agree that you must contact one on one to get the whole story. And at the same time I would like to inform you that in the art of journalism you must do research as by asking these questions you do not know who is answering you. In all forums there are a thing called Keyboard jockeys and these people just type about things they do not actually advance so there answers would just give you an uneducated guess.

So if this is what you wish to do then go after it 100% and find the people that you have read about in the Game or at least that are on there way to that level.

ChowforNow,

the--------------------------------------->Saint

"Whether or not you agree with his harsh, straight to the point mentality, truth be told, he’s the most active/ dedicated / motivating member on this board. He’s routinely getting newbies and current members out sarging, pushing them into sets, given them suggestions and advice, replying to posts more often then anyone else. (Come out Wednesdays and you’ll see what I mean). Also, I have not once heard him making excuses about not going out and pussying out. If anyone else can show me this, I will automatically promote you to any status that you want on this board. (including admin).

Now .. I (and others) .. have tried a more sugar coated / feel good approach to getting guys to come out. Truth be told, it hasn’t worked anywhere close as well. I'm dissappointed that with all the free resources, and the cool guys that we have offering free advice, so few people actually make use of it, go out consistantly, and get better with women, instead of dabbling and keyboard jockeying."

"How did it start?Well, I dont know.I just feel the craving.I see the flesh and it smells fresh.And it's just there for the taking."

"Looking at my own reflection When suddenly it changes Violently it changes Oh no there is no turning back now You've woken up the demon in me"

"Only see, somehow it always seems that I'm learnin' or something I can never be It dosen't matter to me, 'cause I will always be that pimp I see
in all my fantasies I don't know your fucking name.So what?
Let's.fuck"

"Scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel, reenergize, and rewind
I give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind"

The Saint makes an excellent point, as does Tripp. Personally I wouldn't mind answering these questions publicly. If you want a more in depth interview I'd be happy to work with you so you could get the whole story... more case study less straw poll I suppose.

1. I first discovered the community about 5 years ago. After studying NeuroLinguisticProgramming through most of the 'conventional' angles, I decided to search for more fridge level pracitionors... I found Ross Jeffries.
2. These days I'm not much worried about sarging, I go out to have a good time and always seem to end up with women. Back in the day I would have goals to open and close certain amounts of sets per night. But for me it's always been about relationships, I've never liked ONS's
3. I use very little popular material, but yes once or twice.
4.I turn it around on here, tell her I thought I heard that joke in a movie, ask "So you've never told a joke you heard in a movie or on a stand up?", and then tell her that if she's going to be so uptight I leaving, because I'm fun, and if she doesn't seem to like fun... this is very hard to explain without displaying the body language and tonality to deliver it properly.
5. Alot of people do both, personally I don't like rehersed material, I find improv is 10x more effective and forces you to become that person internally... as for an Avatar this is just how I look, I'm not two different people just me.
6.54 and I wish it was still lower
7.Not at all, I mean sometimes I feel the... "Damn I don't wanna open her/have sex with her" but feel like I really need to.
8.Who doesn't? I think everyone does, some of us have just naturalized more so we are more effective. I use reward/punishment, jackpotting, anchoring, push/pull, pacing etc... on everyone I meet, it's a part of how I interact.
9. I use sales techniques (yes ladders etc...) and Pavlovion theorys (Conditioning) ALOT. As far as running actual patterns I stay away from those these days... I do have an X gf who has some issues with doors though from a pattern back in the day.
10. I use real disqualifiers, if she's to drunk to hold my attention and have a stimulating conversation with me, then she gets canned... If I can tell that she's drunk, then she's way to drunk for me to be interested... as someone who doesn't drink I appreciate women who exercise moderation and self control much more then those who don't.

I'd really like to know what the paper is for. Is it a college paper, highschool, Masters Degree application, etc? If in college or university, is it for psychology, philosophy, etc?

Then I'm totally down for a one-on-one, or public discussion, but I don't like going into a situation without an idea of what I'm getting myself into. Just something I learned while I became a PUA.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

She's too chicken. She actually messaged me once about this, but has since chickened out on going further.

Either that . . . or she's fake. Won't that be a shocker

Yea i got 2-3 messages before she gave up. I dont think she could handle our frames...

i found this hilarious though...

femfatale-unmasked-undressed-vt19064.html

And Fem if you happen to catch all this...its really not personal or an attack or anything. You gotta lighten up and play along, im not sure what your real intensions here are but i doubt its a paper.

My guess, and i told you earlier you sounded "angry", is that you meet a PUA who was a sour apple. Most of these guys are really amazing, good hearted people...every once in a while you catch a bad seed. So if im right, its ashame.

Stick it out, ask your questions, be strong...and who knows you might find yourself in a life changeing process of self awareness and self improvement.

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-Ka-
"Be the same, only better."

to clarify: i am neither fake, nor am i a chicken.
i stated i needed answers within 2 days and some of you wanted to make it a get to know you process, which is fine and i did learn a little bit about a couple of you through the interviewing. you are right ka, some of you are amazing people.. yourself included (you seem to know how to translate your thoughts into words very accurately, which is rare).
the thing is.. i had to turn in what i had gathered.. because like most tasks in life, there is always a deadline.
i also want to apologize for the "unmasked (undressed?)" bull.. altho i know you will believe what you like, that really was not me. i am not trying to come in and create drama in your forum. i just had some questions, and got some answers.
its been interesting talking to actual people as research as opposed to simply reading someone's edited words in a book or article.
those of you who helped, i thank you for your time. even those of you who heckled me, it showed me what a wide range of people are drawn to PUA.. and that everyone has their own personal reasons as to why.

if it isnt srongly discouraged by the members, i plan on continuing on visiting the site from time to time just to read reports and perhaps share some input or questions of my own. its great having a community of people who are all equally interested by the same topic and can share their opinions and experiences for the benefit of everyone.

ps. i plan on posting my paper when i feel its complete, this way i can prove to some of you that your time was not wasted and i can also get feedback. i believe feedback is a very important part of not just the writing process, but growth in general. most importantly tho i want you all to feel as though you were represented fairly.

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-femfatale

"..All you can do is put on an appearance of confidence sometimes. And after a while, others will start to believe it.. And then you die."

Well i didnt say you were scared or anything like that...however some of our styles and frames affect others in varying ways. People like Tripp and myself tend to say whats on our mind and make no appologies for it, some people apreciate our no bs aproach and others cant handle it.

Im happy to have another female perspective here, its always good to get another helpful opinion. Its ashame because this forum's had a few female members join and leave relatively fast due to the presure they encoutered.

I look foreward to seeing your paper, i hope it turns out well. Its unfortunate that things didnt work out as smoothly as you had hoped, but some of us arent willing to give away things without something in return. Had your questions been for personal edification itd be a different story. I feel like this community has given me alot without asking anything in return and i now find myself some time later feeling obligated to "pass it foreward".

Hope in your search for information you also can find yourself...thats what we are ALL looking for in the end.

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"Be the same, only better."

well, I'm certainly looking forward to reading it.

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