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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:53 am 
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Hold on guys, I think there is still a chance here. The point of texting is to arrange another meetup. So if you can offer to show her around, that is being non threatening of course. Something like asking her for a review and then 'btw while you were here did u check out xyz place' and offer her to show her around. Nothing will happen with this one text but it might open up a conversation.
Again the point here is to arrange a meetup and take it from there.
I agree this has a very slim chance of working but still it all depends on how you sell it.


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Hold on guys, I think there is still a chance here. The point of texting is to arrange another meetup. So if you can offer to show her around, that is being non threatening of course. Something like asking her for a review and then 'btw while you were here did u check out xyz place' and offer her to show her around. Nothing will happen with this one text but it might open up a conversation.
Again the point here is to arrange a meetup and take it from there.
I agree this has a very slim chance of working but still it all depends on how you sell it.
No. Asking for a review and then offering to show her around is a slimy and manipulative way of getting her to come with you, and even if she agrees, she certainly won't be coming from a date frame-of-view. It'll just make the OP appear like one creepy fuck when he starts hitting on her. Don't shit where you sleep.


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Hold on guys, I think there is still a chance here. The point of texting is to arrange another meetup. So if you can offer to show her around, that is being non threatening of course. Something like asking her for a review and then 'btw while you were here did u check out xyz place' and offer her to show her around. Nothing will happen with this one text but it might open up a conversation.
Again the point here is to arrange a meetup and take it from there.
I agree this has a very slim chance of working but still it all depends on how you sell it.
No. Asking for a review and then offering to show her around is a slimy and manipulative way of getting her to come with you, and even if she agrees, she certainly won't be coming from a date frame-of-view. It'll just make the OP appear like one creepy fuck when he starts hitting on her. Don't shit where you sleep.
"Don't shit where you eat/sleep" is a phrase that needs to die. Truth is, the majority of the world has been "shitting where they eat", ie meeting and fucking coworkers, employees, friends and ending up just fine. Ive yet to met someone who said "man I was doing great at that job, but when i asked my coworker out they fired me." Its not that dramatic. Once you do it intelligently, you'll be fine. Even if OP sent his message it is HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely she's going to write a bad review. Unless she's a headcase, and if thats the case, she prob was going to write a bad review because of some silly reason. Now, if he send the message and she rejects him and he keeps texting her asking her to, yeah maybe she would. Even then its more probable she just blocks him. You CAN fuck chicks from work, you CAN fuck a chick from AirBnB. Its not some scary thing, if you do it and dont harass someone after their response. Ive asked chicks from work out. Some went well. Some werent interested. She may tell her friends, Neo asked me out and I told him I had a bf, he was cool after that and we still joke about it. No one cares unless you are getting into harassment territory. Women get asked out everywhere, and if the guy isnt weird and stalkerish, they dont care. They arent calling comcast when the cable guy asks them out, gets a I have a bf, and he says ok and goes back to his work. When the cable guy keeps calling her after the job is done, yeah, comcast may get a complaint. Its been 2 years here Ive asked the question for an example of when a guy asked a chick out, and just from that his money was jeopardized. No one has ever given it. If there is so much paranoia about a chick jeopardizing your life, then why not stop fucking chicks altogether...cause it takes one chick to claim rape to get you tied up. It takes one chick getting mad at you to call your job. Stop being afraid of minute risks and just be socially aware and not a stalker. You'll be fine. Women arent going to gasp and be horrified you found them attractive and asked a question. Chick isnt going to write a bad review because you asked her out and left it alone. You dont need to ask her out, but this boogey man where asking a girl out really matters where you do so, needs to end. Or at least be proven.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:05 am 
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I understand where you're coming from, but candidly the risk/reward ratio isn't in the OP's favor. Assuming OP sent the message and she agreed to his offer of him showing her around, there's a likelihood that the "date" goes south, and all it takes is one review saying "This guy asked me out after I left / This guy offered to show me around and then started hitting on me" and his prospects of new clients go down the drain... it's just uncalibrated. Sure, you can go about it in an intelligent way and gauge attraction etc. but let's be honest here, the OP isn't at your level Neo.


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I understand where you're coming from, but candidly the risk/reward ratio isn't in the OP's favor. Assuming OP sent the message and she agreed to his offer of him showing her around, there's a likelihood that the "date" goes south, and all it takes is one review saying "This guy asked me out after I left / This guy offered to show me around and then started hitting on me" and his prospects of new clients go down the drain... it's just uncalibrated. Sure, you can go about it in an intelligent way and gauge attraction etc. but let's be honest here, the OP isn't at your level Neo.

Let's say a terrible scenario plays out: she thinks OP is just going to show her around, he shows her around town and makes a move; she's not interested. As long as OP isnt going to curse her out or keep pushing it, he'll be fine. If you're a persistant guy, well dont "shit where you eat" cause you're asking for trouble. And also, dont date in general. Because the guy who gets a "Im not interested" and keeps pushing his AirBnB client for a date, is the guy who gets a number and keeps pushing for a date when she ignores his messages. Just dont be persistent. Because that same persistence will get you a bad AirBnB review, but it will also get a restraining order from the chick you met at the bar.

Expressing interest, is no big deal and is highly unlikely to get you into trouble, at work or outside of work. Telling a girl you found her attractive, or wanted to date her is fine. Its like the guys who get kicked out of the malls for "approaching"; its not because they're expressing interest, they're following chicks and when she says I have a bf, they're pushing it. Express your interest, chick can either take it or leave it. If she doesn't take, be respectful and move on. I dont think OP's strategy is a good one, but I dont think whether it goes well or not, he is exposing his business. My thing is, dont be afraid to express interest or ask someone out; if they reject you, be respectful and move on. Cause if you arent a guy who can take rejection respectfully, then you're exposing your business even when you go to the club.


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Hold on guys, I think there is still a chance here. The point of texting is to arrange another meetup. So if you can offer to show her around, that is being non threatening of course. Something like asking her for a review and then 'btw while you were here did u check out xyz place' and offer her to show her around. Nothing will happen with this one text but it might open up a conversation.
Again the point here is to arrange a meetup and take it from there.
I agree this has a very slim chance of working but still it all depends on how you sell it.
No. Asking for a review and then offering to show her around is a slimy and manipulative way of getting her to come with you, and even if she agrees, she certainly won't be coming from a date frame-of-view. It'll just make the OP appear like one creepy fuck when he starts hitting on her. Don't shit where you sleep.

"Don't shit where you eat/sleep" is a phrase that needs to die. Truth is, the majority of the world has been "shitting where they eat", ie meeting and fucking coworkers, employees, friends and ending up just fine. Ive yet to met someone who said "man I was doing great at that job, but when i asked my coworker out they fired me." Its not that dramatic. Once you do it intelligently, you'll be fine.
Even if OP sent his message it is HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely she's going to write a bad review. Unless she's a headcase, and if thats the case, she prob was going to write a bad review because of some silly reason. Now, if he send the message and she rejects him and he keeps texting her asking her to, yeah maybe she would. Even then its more probable she just blocks him. You CAN fuck chicks from work, you CAN fuck a chick from AirBnB. Its not some scary thing, if you do it and dont harass someone after their response. Ive asked chicks from work out. Some went well. Some werent interested. She may tell her friends, Neo asked me out and I told him I had a bf, he was cool after that and we still joke about it. No one cares unless you are getting into harassment territory. Women get asked out everywhere, and if the guy isnt weird and stalkerish, they dont care. They arent calling comcast when the cable guy asks them out, gets a I have a bf, and he says ok and goes back to his work. When the cable guy keeps calling her after the job is done, yeah, comcast may get a complaint. Its been 2 years here Ive asked the question for an example of when a guy asked a chick out, and just from that his money was jeopardized. No one has ever given it. If there is so much paranoia about a chick jeopardizing your life, then why not stop fucking chicks altogether...cause it takes one chick to claim rape to get you tied up. It takes one chick getting mad at you to call your job. Stop being afraid of minute risks and just be socially aware and not a stalker. You'll be fine. Women arent going to gasp and be horrified you found them attractive and asked a question. Chick isnt going to write a bad review because you asked her out and left it alone. You dont need to ask her out, but this boogey man where asking a girl out really matters where you do so, needs to end. Or at least be proven.
So true. Its a cop-out.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:34 pm 
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I understand where you're coming from, but candidly the risk/reward ratio isn't in the OP's favor. Assuming OP sent the message and she agreed to his offer of him showing her around, there's a likelihood that the "date" goes south, and all it takes is one review saying "This guy asked me out after I left / This guy offered to show me around and then started hitting on me" and his prospects of new clients go down the drain... it's just uncalibrated. Sure, you can go about it in an intelligent way and gauge attraction etc. but let's be honest here, the OP isn't at your level Neo.

Let's say a terrible scenario plays out: she thinks OP is just going to show her around, he shows her around town and makes a move; she's not interested. As long as OP isnt going to curse her out or keep pushing it, he'll be fine. If you're a persistant guy, well dont "shit where you eat" cause you're asking for trouble. And also, dont date in general. Because the guy who gets a "Im not interested" and keeps pushing his AirBnB client for a date, is the guy who gets a number and keeps pushing for a date when she ignores his messages. Just dont be persistent. Because that same persistence will get you a bad AirBnB review, but it will also get a restraining order from the chick you met at the bar.

Expressing interest, is no big deal and is highly unlikely to get you into trouble, at work or outside of work. Telling a girl you found her attractive, or wanted to date her is fine. Its like the guys who get kicked out of the malls for "approaching"; its not because they're expressing interest, they're following chicks and when she says I have a bf, they're pushing it. Express your interest, chick can either take it or leave it. If she doesn't take, be respectful and move on. I dont think OP's strategy is a good one, but I dont think whether it goes well or not, he is exposing his business. My thing is, dont be afraid to express interest or ask someone out; if they reject you, be respectful and move on. Cause if you arent a guy who can take rejection respectfully, then you're exposing your business even when you go to the club.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:52 pm 
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Alright, Neo, I see your point. Assuming OP doesn't manage to fuck up the interaction and takes rejection at face value, he may be fine. I still don't see the reason to take a risk when there are so many other women out there.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:01 pm 
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Alright, Neo, I see your point. Assuming OP doesn't manage to fuck up the interaction and takes rejection at face value, he may be fine. I still don't see the reason to take a risk when there are so many other women out there.
Sheesh... Where was this change of heart a week ago. I decided to play it safe and do nothing, she was super pretty but I decided she probably wasn't interested, was too young, etc and my AirBnB income was more important.

Alternatively I could have waited until after she reviewed me but I think it's too late at that point. (It's been a week already, so...)


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Alright, Neo, I see your point. Assuming OP doesn't manage to fuck up the interaction and takes rejection at face value, he may be fine. I still don't see the reason to take a risk when there are so many other women out there.
Sheesh... Where was this change of heart a week ago. I decided to play it safe and do nothing, she was super pretty but I decided she probably wasn't interested, was too young, etc and my AirBnB income was more important.

Alternatively I could have waited until after she reviewed me but I think it's too late at that point. (It's been a week already, so...)
What Neo is saying is that the risk is minimal if you have some social awareness and you accept rejection at face value and don't push things -- i.e. trying won't hurt so long as you do it intelligently. I see his point.

My opinion is that the risk (however minimal) isn't worth the reward. There's the chance that you'll fuck up the interaction (supposing you do get her to go on a date with you), and one shitty review is all it takes. Why exactly would you chance it when there are so many other women out there, I don't know, but take your calculated risks.


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Alright, Neo, I see your point. Assuming OP doesn't manage to fuck up the interaction and takes rejection at face value, he may be fine. I still don't see the reason to take a risk when there are so many other women out there.
Sheesh... Where was this change of heart a week ago. I decided to play it safe and do nothing, she was super pretty but I decided she probably wasn't interested, was too young, etc and my AirBnB income was more important.

Alternatively I could have waited until after she reviewed me but I think it's too late at that point. (It's been a week already, so...)
Lol, if you wanted to you shouldve just done it. What did you think would happen? She'd write "The house was great, clean and well maintained. Even had a hot tub! But the owner asked me out which made my week at college terrible just thinking abt it. 2 out of 5 stars." Did you really think that asking out this woman, would be so offensive to her and traumatizing that she would take to writing a bad review?

My thing is, there are risks with everything. The "it takes one X to ruin everything applies to.....everything." It takes one drunk driver to cripple you. It takes one crazy ex calling your manager every day from a private number to make you get fired. It takes one chick with AIDS to get you on medication to live the rest of your life. It takes one chick at the bar to wake up next to you, remember she has a bf and then go to the cops claiming rape. You still drive and fuck and have relationships. You just manage the risks (hopefully) intelligently. You use protection, you make sure the chick is sober, you try not to get involved with crazy chicks, and you pay attention on the road. So if you want to date someone from work or Airbnb, just do so intelligently and dont be a stalker. "Hey would you like to go out? No? Ok, I just thought you were cute, let me know if you need anything while at the house." Then do your job and be a good host or whatever you do for AirBnB. Dont be the guy who gets a "No" and is asking her why or "well maybe we could be friends" or using her phone number to text her personal stuff for a second chance. Or making up excuses to come and stop by the house. You do that, well chick may write "he made my stay uncomfortable" because that is what you did. Its no big deal to her if you express interest and back off. If you're respectful no one is writing a bad review for you. If you talk to women, you'll see they get asked out by clients, coworkers, managers, subordinates, the cable guy, etc. The ones who they take action against or complain about are the ones who cant take a no respectfully.


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 Post subject: Re: AirBnB Guest
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The interaction doesn't end with asking her out. If she does agree to go on a date, and the date is shitty, then the ensuing terrible review will significantly affect OP's income. Of course, the "one X is all it takes" applies to many things, but why even take a chance on the date when there are millions of other women out there?


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The interaction doesn't end with asking her out. If she does agree to go on a date, and the date is shitty, then the ensuing terrible review will significantly affect OP's income. Of course, the "one X is all it takes" applies to many things, but why even take a chance on the date when there are millions of other women out there?
What is the scenario where a shitty date, leads a scorned chick to write a terrible review of the house? There is a big gap in this, to go from a shitty date to her writing a bad review. How does a shitty date, leave someone thinking "wow, that date hurt me so much I need vengeance." Its not that your scenario is a risk, its not even plausible. Because a chick wasnt interested in you, she takes that frustration out on your property? Because she felt you were a nice guy and didnt click with her, she feels scorned? Thats like saying if a chick goes on a terrible date with you, you run the risk of her slashing your tires in the morning. If she goes on a shitty date, she isnt going to want vengenace on the OP. A shitty date will never lead to a bad review on AirBnB. Sure, if you insult a girl on the date and hurt her seriously emotionally or physically, she may want revenge. But what chicks are feeling a need to be spiteful over a bad date?

What is the scenario where a bad date jumps to her writing on your AirBnB? If you're about to beat up a chick on a date, sure, a woman scorned all that, but I cant fathom a situation where a date is boring and a chick feels so mad that she writes a bad review. She'll leave, think "wow that was boring" and continue on her life. She wont think "wow that was boring....I am so hurt that date was boring, let me lie on his property." Tbh, a shitty date means you prob want a second and she doesnt want a second one. What can happen on a date that would make someone go spiteful?


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You ask a girl out who was staying in your place, the fact that you did will end up on the review. To you, it may not be a bad thing, but for women looking at his place to come stay, who the fuck will want to rent from a place where the host silently checks out every girl who stays there? Of course it's human nature, but no girl I know would want to rent from there -- it's disconcerting.

And a shit date will bias that review.


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You ask a girl out who was staying in your place, the fact that you did will end up on the review. To you, it may not be a bad thing, but for women looking at his place to come stay, who the fuck will want to rent from a place where the host silently checks out every girl who stays there? Of course it's human nature, but no girl I know would want to rent from there -- it's disconcerting.

And a shit date will bias that review.
But how? Do you really think that a date invite is a big deal for most women? Sure, if you have reviews saying "owner was creepy and inappropriate constantly", women arent going to want to come. My point is, this: say I have an AirBnB, chick comes, she stays at the place, we have friendly chat when I'm there to give her the keys just as OP did, when she gives me back the keys I say "wanna go out?" She says no, I say ok and move on. Is it very likely that a woman then says in her mind : I have to write about this in the review? I have to warn others that the owner may ask them a question and be respectful! No. Its not a likely scenario. Most chicks will get asked out like that, probably tell their friends with a whole bunch of other gossip and just not care.

Its a guy asking them out. The pizza guy does it. The guy at the gym does it. The grocery checkout guy does it. Chicks arent going to managers or trying to warn other women for a polite invite and a respectful ok at the end. Even for ex, if I were a pizza delivery guy and I told chicks I delivered to "hey would you like to go out sometime?", the vast majority of chicks who werent interested would just say no thanks , or I have a bf, I'd say ok no problem. They'd say I feel flattered and tip the same. They wouldnt even see it as a big deal to reduce my tip for just being a guy who found them attractive and asked a question.

My thing is, asking a woman out respectfully does not offend them or make them feel the need to warn other women. What are they warning them about? Oh! The owner may ask you out! The house is beautiful, but never again with an owner who asked me out once and was always respectful.


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