Alright Now, I am not one to usually even try to pick up a girl at the gym. It wasn't even my intentons nor did I pick up, but I did get her to recongize me and notice that I am not like all guys.

I go to the same gym every at the same time. 6-9 I am usually in there between those times depending on if I throw cardio in and what not.

So yesterday I am finishing up my workout. (Bi's/Tri's, Legs, and ABs) So I am in the AB section of the gym using my medicine ball. I have my headphones blasting music but you still can hear what people saying if they talk loud enough or close to you.

Back track for a second. Now this chick has been coming to the gym for I guess the last week and half now. She is always wearing some super tight shirt with short shorts. I mean my boxers are longer than her shorts! She is a HB9 and her friend is HB8. They always go in hit the treadmill, do their legs, and finish off with abs. Of course I see them getting hit on everyday like between their sets. They love the attention because I can see in their face and their always smiling unlike the other women.

So I am doing my crunches with the medicine ball when they come over my right shoulder. There is a huge mirror infront of us. The HB9 comes up.

HB9: My Ass is fat(While looking in the mirror)
HB8: (Laughs and shakes her head)
HB9: I really hate it(In a whiney voice)
^Be advise HB9 is talking louder than normal wanting someone to hear her. Of course I did because I was trying to workout. I go to the gym to workout not to hit on women. I do catch and return smiles though.

Me:(I laugh and take out my right headphone. I have a big smile on my face too) Well you can thank God for giving you that fat ass!
HB8: (Laughs)
HB9: (Is in shock) What did you just say?
Me:(I smile look her in the eyes. She is giving me mad EC. Her hands where on her hips and chest out. Her breast are atleast Ds) You heard me, Next time don't talk so loud because your breaking my concentration!(I smile and put my headphone back in then proceed to finish my ab workout.)

I can feel the HB9 eyes just burning a whole through me. I would glance and smile every once in a while and both HBs would be look at me talking and smiling. I finish my workout and now I am ready to leave. Guess who leaves at the same time.

Prepare for a Super Neg here!

My dad always taught me to open the door for ladies. Its jsut the gentlemen thing to do and all. As I am walking towards the door I can see them in the reflection of the door. Aswell as feel them behind me. I take off my headphones and open the door for them with a smile on my face.

They both walk through the door and don't say anything. Not even a thank you. I don't let no one disrespect me even a old women would who doesn't say anything gets me mad.

Me: I guess BITCHES(I say that one word rather loudly) don't have to say thank you when someone is being a gentlemen.
HB8 and HB9 both stop and turn around to look at me.
Me: Ohh I forgot to say YOUR WELCOME(Again I said it rather loudly)

I didn't even give them time to respond to my first sentence. I also didn't wait for a reaction to my second sentence as I walked through the parking going to my truck.

I can't wait to see them tonight if they show up!

What did I learn:
I hate bitches! I really hate bitches who crave attention and come to the gym just to be hit on.
I was also alot more social at the gym today. I opened up 3 sets of guys. One was with a old buddy of mine who just got back from Iraq. Another one was to talk about supplements. Another one was to talk about the girls in the gym and how they think their so special and hot.(There are plenty of hot girls at the gym. I see them all the time when I go. I think the hottest one their she wears a t-shirt and some jogging or sweatpants. She doesn't show off her body but you can tell she as a nice one)

Now does anyone think I did anything wrong?

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I wouldn't call the last part a neg, it was very much a verbal slap across the face they both had coming.

I don't see anything wrong with how you handled it. Ungraciousness, disrespect, and a general lack of manners are becoming all to common in society today. It's only proper that you let them know how you felt about that.

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They didn't show up tonight!

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I was going to say the same thing until I saw Rotor already said it. I actually enjoy being chivalrous, and I believe you can do it without appearing beta, but it's such a degrading slap in the face when someone doesn't thank you for opening the door for them...and I think it shows a lot about their character.

If a hot girl is purposely acting to fulfill her shallow self-validation needs (i.e. wearing short shorts, tight top, and talking loud about her ass to get attention), I don't even give her the time of day. Those chicks didn't deserve a neg at the end..they deserved to be bluntly put in their place, so I like how you handled it.

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You were playing your game well, text book shyt. Sounds like they were displaying some IOI's. But that last part when you were leaving kinda burned it for you. I don't think that was a neg, it was more like just being a straight jerk lol. I think you took it too far, I remember listening to David DeAngelo and he was talking about just that, about not taking negging too hardcore. He said you just don't go up to a girl and say "You look like a b*tch." lol I think the best thing to have done is just said "Your welcome" after opening the door for them and getting no reply. Even better would be to have stopped at the door, turned around and told them, "what, aren't you guys gonna open the door for me?..."

I feel you could have just said its pleasure and left it at that.

Calling them bitches was too agresive a little more suttle and you could have potentially closed them in the future.

there is so much that needs to be said to you "whoopie"
so let me just try and scratch the surface
first of all, the reason those "bitches" didnt say thank you is because you just insulted one of them. most women really are insecure about their bodies and you butting in and reassuring the fact that she has a fat ass is in no way game.. its just rude.
they probably didnt come back because they didnt want to deal with a jerk like you.
common courtesy is important in society and to be an alpha doesnt mean you have to be a tool. we aren't talking frat boy with lame jokes.. we are shooting for confident.
i would stick to opening sets of guys like you said.. because thats about as far as you will get. talking to men.

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One she is not insecure about her body trust me. This girl comes in almost naked it seems. Sometimes you can bottom outline of her ass cheeks. If she was insecure she would wear sweatpants an wouldn't stand infront of a mirror talking all loud. Insecure girls do not dress sexy and like sluts. I have a model friend who is still insecure. The only time she even dresses up remotely sexy is for a photoshoot.

Two, I really don't think the gym is a good place to even pick up women. Maybe like yoga or a dance class but not when I am trying to lift. I listen to my music because I don't want to be distracted. If someone distracts me like that I am going to say something regardless.

Three, Disrespect me and I would disrespect you. Its the way of life. Maybe next time any guy opens the door for them they will say something.


Now yall say I was hard on them. Fuck that! That was me being nice. I only used one cussed word. Women need to learn respect just like men need too. If we disrespect a woman she lets us know by mulitple ways. So thats all I am doing.

I wouldn't have closed these girls if I wanted too. They both had town bike on them and I am pretty sure almost everyone was riding them. I atleast see or notice about 5 guys hitting them when their at the gym. Most of the time its around a machine or on the machine I want to use which pisses me off even more.
^Got a new shirt. "SHUT UP and LIFT!"

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bahah good thread going here!

i don't know what to think of this situation but i find the gym is prolly a bad place to run game. On the other hand innocent convo with HB should be done. If they find you attractive enough after the convo's you'll prolly meet up outside the gym and Game on!

As far as it being rude to over neg those 2 HBs... i think it was great lol. The gurl clearly wanted attention pointing out her fat ass and thats what she got. She was looking for reassurance. But she didn't get any lol. It's cool if u weren't planning on sarging them. But deff a hard chirp. if u wanted to offend them u did that very well. But if that was a neg not so smooth.

Cheers

In-freakin-credible....I wish more PUA's would do the occasional verbal slap across the face to a HB who thinks shes the shit....i know it has been said that girls are just bitches to put up a protective shield but i know there are a few exceptions where the girls just do shit for attention and fish for compliments. No if you wanted to hook up with her, I wouldn't say theres not shot. I mean they were giving you proximity for a reason, because there was some sort of attraction. But if you're not interested, like u said there are plenty of HBs that go to the gym.

sup man, the mirror: good neg.
The door-thing was a bit rough too, but I know how you feel, and the lil verbal slap was good imo, put them back where they belong... Girls like that tend to get too much air, and We don't want that in our dear Gym would We? Of course not. You were just being gentleman after all.
HB9 one day was giving me the look at the Gym, after ignoring her like 29310 times she comes each time even closer to train. Failure was when she had her ipod on, couldn't seem to open her correctly. You do not demonstrate higher value when clapping her shoulder to get attention compared to a "quick neg/comment" etc; ended up with me leaving her while she stretches her fine legs (oh man I was getting a boner too, and that NEVER happens with me, shit)
Anyway, I thought: shit, that girl should have been mine right now. But on the other hand I can train peacefully next time I go. Be an AFC when being serious with your training, and PUA the rest of the time.

I personally don't like running game at the gym, but if the right moment comes a long it's best to go for it

You made zero progress with them, so why are you feeling proud? You insulted them because they didn't thank you for opening the door for them, but it happens and if you snap every time that happens, they you're gonna end up looking like an asshole.

I don't get how you think this is progress, because all you've done, is shut yourself off from them in a different way than by not talking to them in the first place. Them not showing up isn't a sign that they are impressed, it is a sign that they either aren't thinking about you and weren't gonna show up anyways, or that they find you repugnant and want to keep away from you.

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Your first impressions of them aren't necessarily everything if you know they go there often. Since clearly you weren't afraid to show confidence and talk to them during the [Mirror-Ass] situation, and alot of times when a girl who goes out and looks for attention and a guy gives them attention but in a way that like "Here's your attention, now i have better things to do like workout." they become humbled and actually become so quiet they forget basic shit like a thank you. Now as far as the door you coulda just handled that with a sarcastic "Your welcome!" and Maybe A "see if i'll hold the door for you two again" get eye contact, hold it for 2 seconds give a wink than turn to your truck and don't sayin anything unless they engage you. but we all have different games.

Hey Rhy Lee, I am kind of in the same boat as this bloke hey, im over negging and i think it is fucking up my game big time. No, it is and i hate looking like an asshole because its not what i am.

Now, I liked the response that someone wrote in this thread (sorry fogot who) about instead of writing them off, he could have said 'arnt you going to open the door for me?'. What do you think of that CF approach instead?

Also what do you think about over negging? I know using your own intuition and experience will help but as a guage how do you internally gauge how to analyse when you need to neg and when to hold back?