I think this holds true for some people.

Basically, to get a hot girl, you "lower" her so to speak. For example, say you're on a date with a really gorgeous woman. You want to put your best foot forward in impressing her but at the same time you don't want to put her on a pedestal, correct? So what do you do? You lower her value and raise yours. (BTW, not just for hot girls, but people in general).

A man may say, "Oh, my last ex was a model," or, "I've only dated women that were into fitness".
A man might boast in direct and indirect ways about his body, looks, personality, education, job, career, money, car, whatever else, so as to raise himself up in value and give off that vibe of, "Now let's see if you qualify to date a man like myself," or, "Don't think you're that higher than me."

I've seen this with my girlfriends, and I've experienced this myself on a few occasions.

Now, I think a lot of this lowering attitude comes from insecure people, people that want to be in control, to have the upper hand, be at the center stage.

As an example, my girlfriend was dating a guy on and off for a few months that was a total ass to her. Anyway, he didn't have his own place, neither did she, so they'd have sex in his car. She suggested they get a room to which he replied, "Not until you prove to me that you're worth it me spending the $50." (Funny, because now she's married to a guy that earns 6 figures and doesn't mind spending a pretty dime on her but anyway, that's another story LOL).


Now, I've noticed on this forum dudes giving each other the advice, make her qualify in front of you and don't put her on a pedestal. I think the same advice can be given to women. Just because he's a doctor, don't treat him like a God. Just because she's gorgeous, don't treat her like a goddess. That sorta thing.

Have you done this before?

Oh.....my God.

You have a point Jablow me. But, the smart girl should take a lesson and not repeat it again. That's the problem a lot of women have. They keep going out with assholes and then complaining they can't find a guy that respects them.

Oh.....my God.

But, the smart girl should take a lesson and not repeat it again.

That's the problem a lot of women have. They keep going out with assholes and then complaining they can't find a guy that respects them.

This whole thing is funny to me. When we talk about a woman deserving certain SPAM, most of us mean that we want to know that this girl is into us as being more than a meal ticket.

If a man looks at a woman and approaches her, we are sexually attracted and we want sex. It's honest. So if you are equivocating us to women because of the perception of what's deserved whether it be sex or a meal, then women are horrible people. Don't complain about men wanting sex if women want sex and some seafood.

In the meantime Mr Niceguy is paying for all her drinks, dinners, mowing her lawn, smoking his weed, validating her beauty.

Win-Win.

Find me that guy, please!

Lifting yourself up in the eyes of a woman is not the same as knocking her down. Your first examples are horrible. The reality is seduction isn't a logical process in a woman's brain. It's there in part, but not alone. So to try to deconstruct why your one girlfriend dated an asshole runs into a problem: not addressing how he made her feel.

Also why do you always go back to bringing up rich doctors and shit? Pickup is about getting laid without med school bills, among other things.