I think this holds true for some people.

Basically, to get a hot girl, you "lower" her so to speak. For example, say you're on a date with a really gorgeous woman. You want to put your best foot forward in impressing her but at the same time you don't want to put her on a pedestal, correct? So what do you do? You lower her value and raise yours. (BTW, not just for hot girls, but people in general).

A man may say, "Oh, my last ex was a model," or, "I've only dated women that were into fitness".
A man might boast in direct and indirect ways about his body, looks, personality, education, job, career, money, car, whatever else, so as to raise himself up in value and give off that vibe of, "Now let's see if you qualify to date a man like myself," or, "Don't think you're that higher than me."

I've seen this with my girlfriends, and I've experienced this myself on a few occasions.

Now, I think a lot of this lowering attitude comes from insecure people, people that want to be in control, to have the upper hand, be at the center stage.

As an example, my girlfriend was dating a guy on and off for a few months that was a total ass to her. Anyway, he didn't have his own place, neither did she, so they'd have sex in his car. She suggested they get a room to which he replied, "Not until you prove to me that you're worth it me spending the $50." (Funny, because now she's married to a guy that earns 6 figures and doesn't mind spending a pretty dime on her but anyway, that's another story LOL).


Now, I've noticed on this forum dudes giving each other the advice, make her qualify in front of you and don't put her on a pedestal. I think the same advice can be given to women. Just because he's a doctor, don't treat him like a God. Just because she's gorgeous, don't treat her like a goddess. That sorta thing.

Ok.......?? What was your point?

Have you done this before?

Just found this online. So manipulative.
http://elitedaily.com/dating/10-ways-gu ... ep/800510/

I don't think anyone's ever recommended lowering someone's value nor advocated for negs in the past year....and that elite daily is from 2014. Methods have come a long way since then.

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Darling, 2014 isn't 100 years ago. We are not reinventing the wheel here. I guarantee you there's dudes out there doing this .....and getting laid in 2016. Look up that Roosh guy. Horrible.

But after reading that, I remembered how so many men I have went out on dates with (and potential to be dates) employed these tactics, whether they were aware or not. One line struck with me 'cause one guy would repeatedly do just that. Not pretty enough, smart enough, ambitious enough, social enough, really. Either I'd go on 1 date with them, or cancel the date just from that weird vibe I was getting. I probably met a total of 4 guys that were normal out of like, 20ish. It's sad.

You said this forum. There's a nice handful of posters here who shut that kind of mentality down. I haven't seen anyone advocate for these tactics.

I am not saying people aren't still learning these outdated methods. Lots of newbies come in here and ask about DHV, ASD, and all that mumbo jumbo. People shut them down quickly. Can't really lump the whole forum with them. I haven't DHV'd in years. Or any crap.

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Redstar. Richardthefrog.

Everyone knows he is a troll. No one takes him seriously. Why do you think most of his 4-5 page threads get locked at some point.

Definition:

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He's just a lost soul. Poor thing. He sent me a weird message the other day, I guess trying to provoke me or something. He reminds me sort of of a dude I almost went out on a date with a few years back but cancelled last minute.

Ask redfrog about his legal issues with a particular woman who was actually interviewed by the news media. I won't tell anyone the accusations she's made but he did end getting convicted and spending some time behind bars.

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Ofcourse it comes from insecure people.
Why would she date someone like that?
Sure, it can be given to both men and women.
Pedestalization comes from desperation and neediness. And that's what a vast majority of people are - men and women.
Being the prize doesn't mean putting other people down. It means being aware of your own value and worth, and then filtering for people who rise to your own standards. Now obviously a prerequisite of that is actually having some value and worth.

He's also literally banned from the internet - by law.

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No, maybe when younger or something.

That's just dating though...You'll meet some people who are insecure. You'll meet some people who are weird. What is this fascination lately with focusing on the crap that SOME people do? Why even bother caring about what a small group of people are doing that you dont like? Some guys are dicks, some women are bitches. Just screen them out and find people on your level.

Well, she struggled with self-esteem issues most of her life and that was one of the first guys to show interest in her.

Wait, he's getting convicted for sexual harassment but yet he's the best looking guy in town and chicks are begging to bed him left to right? Something doesn't add up.

I'm not saying what he did on on a public forum, but you notice he's not arguing with my statement. If I were to say, you'd understand why he thinks all of these things about himself.

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