So I'm from Washington state as is this gorgeous girl I've been talking to. She added me out of the blue and we ended up hanging out yesterday. We talked a lot and I ended up inviting her over today.

Before she came over today she asked if she could bring her boyfriend I said no, and when she got here I met her at the car and tried Kino but her hands were full so I feEl like that might have been awkward but at the time I acted completely normal and comfortable.

We get up to my place, smoke a bit. I read her palms and tell her i know she's a naughty girl. We talk about what we like and dislike sexually, and she gives me a massage. After that we trade places, and I take off her bra. I continue massaging but when I ask if she's ever had a full body massage she said yes but kind of shut down. She wanted to be loyal to her boyfriend but she also said

"If I wasn't in a relationship I would fuck you"

She told me she's a diagnosed nymphomaniac

She wouldn't turn over on the bed so we could cuddle (even though she had mentioned being tired) and the furthest we really got was my arm between her head and the pillow.

After a few hours she meets back up with her boyfriend. Half an hour after she leaves she told me not to send her inappropriate stuff so her mom doesn't see.

I haven't talked to her since then, I'm not sure what my next move is.

Did I move too slowly and not strike when the iron was hot?

I didn't push too hard knowing she wanted to be loyal.

Her ASD is up, and although I've made it clear that I'm discreet, I need some advice..

What's the next move. Should I message her? Or just wait tIL when and if she decides to message me?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Looking back she didn't really make any of the first moves or show any confidence. It was almost like she was nervous/shy.. that or maybe she just wasn't into me at all.. except that quote though...

so her boyfriend wouldn't see. this is the girl that will tell her boyfriend "it just happened"


OP you can fuck this chick. She knows you want to fuck her, she puts herself in that situation to be fucked. She just verbalizes it so she won't feel as guilty for fucking you. Go for it bro.

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Why would you ever ask that? This is one of the most recurring problems this forum has. You guys need to shut the fuck up from time to time, no joke.
Never ask for permission. Do not ever verbalize permission. If she's uncomfortable with something she'll let you know, but do not ever ask. It's the supreme turn off.

I can guarantee that had you just went for it, the outcome would've been entirely different.
Translation: "Dear god man, please give me an excuse to fuck you. PLEASE"
Translation: "Doesn't even have to be a good excuse"
Yes, you absolutely did and no you absolutely did not.
Well congrats, she's now loyal. Mission accomplished I guess.
Her ASD was not up. Her frustration was.
She didn't make moves? Dude she gave you more go aheads than a broken traffic light. She wasn't shy or nervous, she was uncomfortable with your talking instead of doing. All she wanted was that "it just happened vibe".
The time for moves was when you were too busy with words. Right now, it's a longshot. So sure, message her over this weekend but I wouldn't hold my breath. As far as her messaging you goes, you didn't give her much of a reason to do so.

If she drops by, be bolder.

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I just shed a tear.

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Thanks for the brutal honesty. I'm gonna give it another go before school starts up for her.


When she gets back to my place next time I'm thinking I should just say something like...


I know you want to fuck, and your boyfriend will never know. Now let's get back to that massage.


Or is there something else I should say. Im kind of looking for help with damage control. I don't need you to give me anything verbatim I'll put my own personality into it, but what do you guys think..

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No. That give her clear opportunity to back out. It wold make it her fault she broke loyalty.

It needs to be YOUR FAULT. "It just sorta happened!"

Push the touching envelope further. Pull back a little. When you get, "We shouldn't be...." AGREE with her, repeat it back by whispering it in her ear. Push further.

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Let me be more clear. You need to stop using words and start using hands. Ok? Don't speak. DO

Escalate. When she objects, like heywood said, agree with her, amplify it even, pause for literally half a second and then KEEP GOING

STOP ASKING FOR PERMISSION

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Shit well she's coming back tomorrow.

I'm just a little shook because this is the first chick to turn me down in my room on my bed. So honestly I feel lost.

I guess maybe just some Kino and push and pull til I eventually go for the kiss? That sound good to anyone?

People keep talking about saying less and not talking my way out of it.. should I just stick to the bear minimum?

Redstar ?

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Anyone think a kiss would cross some sort of boundary for her? Should I skip the kiss cause it's too personal...?

What do you mean redstar?

So you were going to tell her that you know that she wants to fuck...but you think a kiss is too personal? You have odd thinking.

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Yeah. I do have odd thinking. Thanks for noticing haha.

Is it possible to escalate too early? I've seen some guys saying the earlier the better?

It's never too early to escalate, but it is possible to start escalation incorrectly. That's why most of us say get some form of hand holding or a hug and test what kind of resistance you're getting. Once you do that you keep escalating and testing resistance. If you get to a point where she is resisting...go back to where there was no resistance and start again.

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