That's great . But not related to what this topic is about.

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I have plenty of money but im still not spending much on a girl I havent slept with yet.

Relationships are a bit different though.

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Just a conversation I had with a woman who was 10 years older than me the other day lol. Putting this into practice


I posted a statement saying I don't do dinner and movies and I got this lovely reply

Her: So why wouldn't u take a woman out to dinner and movies ?


me: because i'd ask if she would do the same to me. i wanna be taken out too

Her: i wanna be taken out that would be nice

me: i know right

her: i don't have a problem reciprocating

me: you gonna do that for me too ?

her: i dunno....

me: then i guess we do what I wanna do. Until you figure that one out

her: excuse me? youre not calling the shot. i see ur selfish

me: lol you want me to take you out but you said you don't know if you would do that for me ? Who's selfish?
me: i will let you decide on that then. if you want me to treat you special, i expect the same

her: i expect a gentleman. i dunno what's wrong with your generation

me: nothing. since when do women have a sign saying they are the only ones to be treated special. That's messed up

her: i'll just take myself to dinner. im definitely special

me: you do that. not going to argue with that lol

her: maybe once or twice i would do it. but a gentleman never expects that

me: and you want me to take you out most of the time ? that's not fair at all. a gentleman would never accept that

her: yup

me: in that case i expect sex. Like a lady should be doing for her gentleman

her: too bad ny lacks gentleman ugh

me:no im just not being taken advantage of like that. has nothing to do with a lack of gentleman. i

her: don't have to spend money on u to make u feel special. that should be up to me if i want to...u shouldn't expect it from a woman

me: if i spend money on a woman she better be deserving of it.

her: case closed...done debating....

5 minutes later

her : #######

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Well, if a man wants to be taken out by me on a first date, he better qualify himself to me of why he's deserving of it.

Agree 100%.

Like I said, everyone agrees on that here. If the girl starts asking questions like that ^^^. Expect some bad boy tongue lashing

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It'll be easier to get him to put out.

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Guys, you realize I wasn't too serious.

I don't necessarily think there's such things as qualify vs. not qualify as far as paying for dates. In life, you lose some, you win some. I've 'wasted' my time on a fair share of men that didn't necessarily 'qualify' in my books, and I'm sure, vice versa. But anyway.

Put out, yeah. 99% of men show no resistance. Whores, whores everywhere...LOL.

I gotta say this, where are you guys meeting these entitled women? I cant tell you the last time I met a woman that does who I'd consider "entitled." These "demands" that women have...closest I've come to a chick "demanding" something from me, is her sad and begging me to text or call her more. College chicks, working women, traditional chicks, feminist type chicks...all have tried to pay their own way with me. Personally, I dont consider money in dating, I usually pay for the first because its my plan. But the chick almost always offers to pay after that. Even female friends, if they go on a date with a guy and they dont like him, they split. I havent come across this trend of seeing women really caring to waste their time for cheap meals.

Truth is, I think the whole money thing is overthought. Either a chick is genuinely interested in you or she's not. If she is, she's going to want to make it easy for you so she's more likely to chip in so you dont stop seeing her. If she's not interested, and she's having you pay for restaurants, then she's a low level chick. By low level I mean she's spending time with a guy she doesnt like for some cheap meals. Lets be real, if she is going that route, she might as well hit up a guy who takes her the 5 star places. So the ones who are spending time with you to get a $20 flatbread are the low level goldiggers.

Maybe its me, I dont know. I just havent come across chicks who care enough to get free stuff or to take advantage of ppl in general. I get that this is for "entitled women", but then its not "traditional dating" or the norm. Most people in my experience, are pretty even with who pays or invests. For whoever comes across these women alot, where are you meeting them?

So funny but I agree. I am pretty sure the real gold diggers, and by real, I mean, ones that know who carries the big cash, will not waste their time for $20 dates.

My former hair dresser was a gold digger. It was fun hearing her crazy antics. But she was a smart one. She would frequent the bars in the more ritzy areas. She'd pay for her drinks, though, her way of luring men without the gold digger suspicion, the long con so to speak. Once she dated him for a while, he'd pay it all. Well, today she drives a Porsche, has her own apartment in a big city, and her parents have a house, a modest gift courtesy of her husband, All the while working part time as a hairdresser.

I'm not sure what you guys are arguing about. Most of the posters here came to an agreement on the thread. Kinda late to the party. But yeah yeah.

and I'm not sure how your anecdote helps with Entitlement ^. Already told us your friend has a system to get into the wallets of rich men. Kinda regressing from your previous point.

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What argument are you seeing? It's a simple question where are you meeting these women and is this the norm? I don't see an agreement on this thread.. Just guys saying they'd want a girl to split. Me too. Who's going to not agree to that lol. My question simply is are you guys finding most women are this way and if so where are you meeting them? Simple question. Don't see arguments when someone asks a question. I can't argue if you guys say this is the norm for you. No one really is agreeing to the main points of these threads hence I'm asking you and them if this is the norm ie entitled women.

I just want to add that in some patriarchal cultures, splitting the bill or having the woman pay is seen as a shame on the man's part. Those men from that culture take big pride in being able to pay the bills. They feel emasculated when she takes charge. Just a side note.

^ Stick to the Western World

I'm just speaking for myself here, other dudes have their own experiences.

It's not the norm but the post is meant to get the wheels turning. Entitled women aren't the norm but they are out there. The guys agreed that they won't spend lots of money on a girl they don't know. Especially if they haven't slept with her, which a lot of guys should take into account. If the girl is deserving, they don't mind shelling a bit more on their part. The main post is just a screening tool. I agree with the other guys about the deserving part and not spending too much on women who haven't even slept with you.

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Wait a second. You're giving the argument that to spend some more cash on her, she has to be deserving of it, right?
Well, she could make the same argument here, to have sex with you, she'd have to see if you're deserving of it?
You're talking about traditional courtship being one-sided but your arguments are one-sided, i.e. she has to prove herself she deserves it, etc. You, also, have to prove yourself to her you are worthy of her presence, I mean, if you're going to start with these arguments of who is deserving and who isn't.

Assertive, not every man thinks traditional courtship is wrong. Some men do enjoy spending money on women, i.e. the man that repeatedly dates gold diggers. Some men, believe it or not, find their worth every time they shell out, it empowers them as the 'better sex'. My ex, for example, looked down on men that were stingy about paying for dates, he found them less worthy, he'd gravitate towards the generous men (i.e. casinos), but he'd also buy his buddies a round of beer every time they'd go out.