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No I'm not.

Mindset is a huge part of game. But honestly, you'd be a fucking moron to not understand how important your look is when it comes to meeting girls.

It may not be a limiting belief - because OP could be so bad looking and so badly dressed that the thing he needs to get sorted right now is his look, because no girl will ever even give him a chance or want to be seen near him. Once he's got that sorted. Then he can work on developing his mindset and meeting women.

your logic only applies to online game. I will agree with you there, yes looks matter. Now in the real world, it doesn't matter. Your logic is the same kind of logic that people in the gym use, "work out and then chicks". This logic doesn't transfer at night game. These are the same men who think their muscles Will have the girls coming over and throwing themselves at them. I just see them sipping their little drinks in the corner. Perfect for me.

They make it easy for me to obliterate them when social skills and seduction have to be apart of the equation. If they ever even take action. I worked on both. I've been working on both since day one.

My style of dress isn't amazing, it could be better but it gets me by because of my beliefs. All you're doing now is telling him to do things one way when I'm saying you could be doing both. Focusing on looks won't help you if you still think you're ugly and aren't worth a look after the makeover. It doesn't work that way in the real world.


It can also backfire when it comes to online game. Because you still have to be the man that you present yourself to be in your pictures. If you meet up with someone and sure you looked good and sounded good online but you have these insecurities and bullshit beliefs, they will see the contradiction. We are talking about girls here. They aren't stupid. They know when you're full of shit.

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I don't really care about distinctions between online and and in person. I'm successful with all avenues of meeting girls. All online and dating apps are is a way to cast your net out further and get more leads for potential girls anyway. I used that as an example to show how my look has already garnered 14 girls checking me out within 48 hours of me creating the profile, to show how important your look can be, that's all. And, in person, I'm actually much sexier, they know I'm certainly not full of shit

Don't be silly though. Most girls in real life will decide in a few split seconds when they first meet a guy and get speaking whether they would give him their number or whether she will potentially sleep with him based on his vibe and look. YES you need the right mindset for game, YES you need to know how to create intrigue and be able to escalate, but god damn if you aren't maximizing your look you're just not going to be given the time of day by a lot of girls.

OP could have such a bad look right now, that the most beneficial thing he can do is improve on that, then start meeting girls and improving his mindset. I have no doubt about that. More girls will give him the time of day to actually speak to them if he does this anyway.

From the look of your recent posts you seem to be doing more complaining about the state of dating than anything else to be honest mate. For all your talk on mindset, I think you really need to change your mindset from posting so many complaints on this forum about 'entitled' women. Maybe if you improved your look these 'entitled' women might actually give you some time of day and treat you as a man with a bit more value and you wouldn't have to argue with H23234R03 (or whatever the user is) so much or post such threads whining.

I am telling you right now I have not maximized my look. I said I am doing enough to get by but that's purely on my confidence. Either that or I am extremely good looking which I will not deny such a possibility and I am getting away with it.


He should be doing all of the above rather than focusing on one area. If he gets help on his look great. But he should be challenging his beliefs simultaneously. Not just doing one, that's like the person who says "I need to be a doctor or I need to make money, then I will get girls"

Or the guy that misplaces his "lucky shirt" because he is relying on his looks so much that he thinks that he can't go game now because all his good clothes are in the dirty hamper.

It's just a liability to think that way in my opinion

I won't even reply to your bottom paragraph. That is just a reactive comment to distract people from what is being discussed. It is an ad hominem.

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Cool. You do realize that you've just said that looks don't matter in real life but then said...
Lmfao... seriously, I think you were just trying to be smart. Either that or you're pissed at these "entitled" girls and venting through a forum. Please mate, just stop chiming in when I was offering to add some solid advice for the OP, I don't have time for it.

OP... your look matters. Improving it will massively improve your success with women. Yes you will also have to work on your mindset and get some experience in seduction. But a good first step would be improving your look if it is detrimental and you'll have more opportunity to practice. If you want some solid advice on your look then post a legitimate picture of yourself.

You were doing fine offering advice until you said "ignore everyone's else advice" like it didn't have any merit until the OP's looks were taken care of, which you already pointed out is your logic right now. I couldn't just help but to call you out.

and nah, I was definitely being a smart ass. But I wouldn't mind thinking I was that hot . And even if I was, I will still stick to my stance.


You gotta inject some humor somewhere where you can to let other people know it's all good either way. I mean...if you started off with social skills and not looks or worked both at the same time I mean........wouldn't have to point that out.......just saying


As for everything else.

I'm not pissed at all. I am actually offering ideas on how to deal with them. It sounds pissy because it's instructive and amoral. I'm aware that it sounds like i don't care. But the information is what is important because that is what works for me.

I was actually was going to write on how to use material girls for your personal benefit but I don't think I have enough experience having these type of hot girls get things out of others guys for me. And that was the point dude. I am around these type of girls all the time. This makes the good girls a cakewalk to pickup. I am in the company of the goldiggers hahaha.

I've been using material girls for social proof and drinks. They convince other guys to buy me a shot. I permit them to have one on one time. Kind of like pimping them out to other men. Win win for me. Even better if she throws one of her girl friends at me. Perfect. It is amoral but you gotta use the system when you can.

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The fact of the matter is that looks matter but personality can overcome the shortcomings of looks. I don't know how many times that I've talked to hot girls and they would talk about their "ugly" ex. These ugly guys pulled a hot girl with their personality but couldn't hold onto them due to their insecurity is usually the story.

My advice OP, get good with yourself. Always work on looking better, but become the guy that girls want to spend their time with. Learn to push boundaries with women without being creepy (talk flirtatiously/sexually, be affectionate, be fun). Get into women's social circles and flirt with every single one of the women. Work with everything that you have available to you and it'll get you positive results.

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Looks matter but you can get away without.

What you can't get away with is looking as you take care of you.

If you dress like shit, don't hve a good haircut for your head, you aren't clean ecc you will be taken for somebody that has no self respect, and is dirty. Somebody they do not want to inttoduce to friemds and family.

You don't need to be model, but you can't look wasted.

Women take care of the looks, men take care of her.

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