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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:07 am 
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Well N2, I understand that you like going full on love mode when you find a girl you like. I happen to not work that way because I am a complete mess when I let emotion run my actions.


All I am asking of the OP is to tell me how his life has changed bringing his "girlfriend" into his life. I understand that you make time for people who can potentially make you happy and that's a reasonable assumption.
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but she's now back to "what am I doing" and "I want to make the right decision" and "I don't know if I want to do this anymore, I feel like I should be studying, meeting new people, etc."
Her doubts are perfectly understandable if they had a rocky relationship and are now re-engaging with one another. I would expect her to be apprehensive, and for his part, ambivalent as they're both risking a great deal and its very much touch-and-go SPAM. "What am I doing", "I don't know if I want to do this anymore"...those con vey fear, and if the OP simply hear the unmet need, and acknowledge them as such noting that she's STILL in spite of these statements hanging out with him, he should be able to navigate through these waters without getting caught-up in the emotional tumult she may be experiencing. And this is what she wants, a stable guy who is secure in himself who WONT jump into the river with her, rather stay on the bank without stepping into the raft with her and getting pulled downstream by the current.

Is translated to me that she doesn't really have anything going for her. It seems that she is dependent on the OP to make her happy. The problem I had with your advice is that it was good in the quotes until you started suggesting dates for the OP.

Quite a bit of conjecture on your part given the limited amount of info provided on her.
Those kinds of dates work well for women that are in love with their man. All it did now was push her further. In this scenario, you actually WANT her to think. Women fall in love with thought. That's why you see women falling in love with celebrities that they have never met.
Women fall in love with feeling attracted by a desirable man - women want to be desired by a man they admire, one they respect, and in particular a man they can feel secure with so she can safely explore her femininity in his presence and feel sexy, feel attractive as a result. They fall in love with FEELING and receiving, NOT logic or 'thought'.

The correct thing for the OP to do was to actually just step back, regain his composure and re-visit the situation. If his lady was asking why the OP was not so available, the OP can brush it off as he wants to focus a little bit on a hobby, maybe work, or even maybe just taking a little mental break before coming back to his girl with a fresh brain of logic. He isn't running away, he is doing both of them a favor.

So you were prescribing MORE space?? How has that served the betterment of the relationship to this point? Op? Can you answer this please?

The irony is now this will create intrigue with the girl. Now all of a sudden, oh shit, why is he not here, where is he, who is he with, does he still like me. She will go full on girl analytical mode.

SO play on her attachment fears is what you're suggesting, pretty much making you like every other cookie cutter PUA out there who simply doesnt understand the dynamics behind creating true connection and a healthy relationship.

Now, I am not advocating doing this out of causing these kinds of emotions with a woman. The flip side is that the OP would have been able to regain his composure to better give his lady what she wants. It's healthy to remember who you are and what you're about. I do this. I disconnect so to speak with the real world and when I reconnect, I am fresh and ready. Nothing wrong with that. I am not running away. I am coming back to the problem and solving it with a cooler head.


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I kept it light and fun, took her on both fun dates and the intimate kind, and for a while it was fine, but she's now back to "what am I doing" and "I want to make the right decision" and "I don't know if I want to do this anymore, I feel like I should be studying, meeting new people, etc."

Ehh, I dunno if I want to deal with this anymore. I value my emotional happiness far too much to be pulled into this kind of drama.
Is this more a product of your expectation, or do you truly feel you're sacrificing aspects of yourself to be with this person?


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N2, even the OP stated he wasn't in the right frame of mind at the beginning of the post. i think it was you that told me that the person who asked if he should go on vacation with his oneitis in another thread to not to go. We got into discussion and ultimately the OP chose your route because he knew his limits. And I was okay with seeing that because he admitted he might be sent over the edge. I saw that.


Now for this particular OP, you told him to still go on the date, despite the OP saying he wasn't in the right emotional state of mind by pretty much just telling him to disregard his insecurity which is great but it's just like telling a person to be confident. All I said was for the OP to come back and revisit the situation with a better state of mind. So yes more space, the OP knows when he will be okay. If I need a day or two to think over matters, then I will take that.


Women fall in love when you're not around. And when you are around, for sure, make her life awesome. The problem I have here is you are only considering her point of view and not the OP. You are telling the OP to do this and do that. You aren't even questioning if the girl might actually be part of the problem. MAYBE she isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Maybe she isn't worth all the drama.


I am not advocating playing on her fear. If she is an emotionally sound, confident, and independent individual, then she won't be upset about you not being available. Girls naturally wonder about you when you aren't around and that's a fact. I could not talk to a girl for a week because I am busy and living my life and she will be happy to hear from me when I do talk to her. I am not doing it on purpose, I just am involved in my life. I try to make time for them if they are someone who can potentially share a happy life with me.

I have an awesome life I want to share with her. And she has an awesome life that she wants me to be apart of. That is a good relationship.

I am assuming the OP has a life and has other things he can focus on so he doesn't get all worked up over his relationship. When he resumes composure he could woo her without the little thought of insecurity being as strong.

I think we should have asked for more information about the relationship before action was taken. I am only taking a page out of your book N2 and I have you to thank. I have to consider a person's feelings and their ability to deal with problems before I give him or her a solution. People will correct you if you make the wrong assumption, no harm there. If they can do it, they can do it.

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N2, even the OP stated he wasn't in the right frame of mind at the beginning of the post. i think it was you that told me that the person who asked if he should go on vacation with his oneitis in another thread to not to go. We got into discussion and ultimately the OP chose your route because he knew his limits. And I was okay with seeing that because he admitted he might be sent over the edge. I saw that.


Now for this particular OP, you told him to still go on the date, despite the OP saying he wasn't in the right emotional state of mind by pretty much just telling him to disregard his insecurity which is great but it's just like telling a person to be confident. All I said was for the OP to come back and revisit the situation with a better state of mind. So yes more space, the OP knows when he will be okay. If I need a day or two to think over matters, then I will take that.


Women fall in love when you're not around. And when you are around, for sure, make her life awesome. The problem I have here is you are only considering her point of view and not the OP. You are telling the OP to do this and do that. You aren't even questioning if the girl might actually be part of the problem. MAYBE she isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Maybe she isn't worth all the drama.


I am not advocating playing on her fear. If she is an emotionally sound, confident, and independent individual, then she won't be upset about you not being available. Girls naturally wonder about you when you aren't around and that's a fact. I could not talk to a girl for a week because I am busy and living my life and she will be happy to hear from me when I do talk to her. I am not doing it on purpose, I just am involved in my life. I try to make time for them if they are someone who can potentially share a happy life with me.

I have an awesome life I want to share with her. And she has an awesome life that she wants me to be apart of. That is a good relationship.

I am assuming the OP has a life and has other things he can focus on so he doesn't get all worked up over his relationship. When he resumes composure he could woo her without the little thought of insecurity being as strong.

I think we should have asked for more information about the relationship before action was taken. I am only taking a page out of your book N2 and I have you to thank. I have to consider a person's feelings and their ability to deal with problems before I give him or her a solution. People will correct you if you make the wrong assumption, no harm there. If they can do it, they can do it.
For sure. The questions you'd posed are certainly worth asking. Who know, she can be a complete whack job, hopefully this guy can discern between his attachment and what this woman really brings to the table, if anything at all. But attachment can be quite strong and obscure our own ability to see a person for who they are.


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For sure. The questions you'd posed are certainly worth asking. Who know, she can be a complete whack job, hopefully this guy can discern between his attachment and what this woman really brings to the table, if anything at all. But attachment can be quite strong and obscure our own ability to see a person for who they are.

Oh for sure, I've been there. That's why I try not to go full love mode even though I can see the allure to which you have for it. It's very nice until you actually realize the situation you are in and you are standing in quicksand.

I think i started the me, me, me mentality screening when I started hanging out with materialistic chicks. I am currently friends with one and she doesn't try to use me anymore to the extent she used to do because I don't put up with her shit. We use each other now equally. She introduces me to girls, I give her a ride to the bar, and she is free to do her magic which consists of flirting with men to get free things...and I even get free shit by association. The men are completely oblivious to her tactics. Like they do not see that she is very simple and can't get past her looks. Her life consists of alcohol, naps, and work.


She knows her power is in her looks. She tries to put me under her spell all the time. She admits she is spoiled. She told me about how she wants a big t.v.. I asked her if she needed a tv at all, she just said she just wanted a big tv in her apartment. She is used to the lifestyle.

The fact that I am nonjudgmental and a person you'd naturally feel like opening up to has her telling me all these crazy stories of how she broke into her ex's home, how she played the victim and said her boyfriend is mean to her and got the cop to let her go....all the drugs she has done....and she is completely oblivious to how she sounds. She even laughs about it. She even told me how she stabbed one of her dudes with a fork because her dude was making her jealous by talking about other girls.

she thought it was funny.


So I guess hanging around psycho girls without the attachment has been an eye opener lately. She is using every trick in the book to try extract something out of me. Spoiled, me, me , me. I don't put up with it and just keep her at arms length.

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For sure. The questions you'd posed are certainly worth asking. Who know, she can be a complete whack job, hopefully this guy can discern between his attachment and what this woman really brings to the table, if anything at all. But attachment can be quite strong and obscure our own ability to see a person for who they are.

Oh for sure, I've been there. That's why I try not to go full love mode even though I can see the allure to which you have for it. It's very nice until you actually realize the situation you are in and you are standing in quicksand.

I think i started the me, me, me mentality screening when I started hanging out with materialistic chicks. I am currently friends with one and she doesn't try to use me anymore to the extent she used to do because I don't put up with her shit. We use each other now equally. She introduces me to girls, I give her a ride to the bar, and she is free to do her magic which consists of flirting with men to get free things...and I even get free shit by association. The men are completely oblivious to her tactics. Like they do not see that she is very simple and can't get past her looks. Her life consists of alcohol, naps, and work.


She knows her power is in her looks. She tries to put me under her spell all the time. She admits she is spoiled. She told me about how she wants a big t.v.. I asked her if she needed a tv at all, she just said she just wanted a big tv in her apartment. She is used to the lifestyle.

The fact that I am nonjudgmental and a person you'd naturally feel like opening up to has her telling me all these crazy stories of how she broke into her ex's home, how she played the victim and said her boyfriend is mean to her and got the cop to let her go....all the drugs she has done....and she is completely oblivious to how she sounds. She even laughs about it. She even told me how she stabbed one of her dudes with a fork because her dude was making her jealous by talking about other girls.

she thought it was funny.


So I guess hanging around psycho girls without the attachment has been an eye opener lately. She is using every trick in the book to try extract something out of me. Spoiled, me, me , me. I don't put up with it and just keep her at arms length.

It's a common theme, and her story isn't unlike a lot of other younger girls I've met, and had experiencing being with.

Typical with girls in their early 20s as they're coming into their sexuality realizing the power it wields, but not knowing how to channel it in healthy ways. There are a lot of guys out there willing to pander to this and play the part of pedestalizing her, and it becomes very lonely very quickly for most of these girls. Many of which aren't under an illusions that the stuff they're being given will eventually disempower them because its all stuff and the connections are lacking of substance.

Been there, done that, got the t shirt. I don't even bother with materialistic types, even in my social circle as I don't have any patience for them and see them as headwinds.


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I appreciate you guys. To answer your questions, other than feeling a bit down cause of her emotional spirals, I don't let it get in the way of life and doing the stuff I have to do to be successful. When I created this thread, I was distraught and was subconsciously letting her come between me and my life goals, but now I feel more centered again. She's not in the least bit materialistic (which is one of many reasons I fell for her in the first place), and she was so emotionally centered before. I'm also her first boyfriend, so there's that, but other than me she doesn't have any other close friends that have lasted.

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Today she sent me a long text saying that she's sorry to make me feel like shit, she doesn't mean to be difficult and just wants to do things right (this "right decision" has been coming up a lot lately), she says she always makes people feel like shit which is why she doesn't have many friends, how she tries and tries and keeps hitting rock bottom, but how she's working on herself. She called herself weak and said how she doesn't know if she even wants to help herself, that the only thing keeping her going on is because of the people close to her.

Yeah, I dunno, for me it's always been fun, flirting, teasing, just amusing myself, keeping things sexual, and living in the moment. I'm some kind of decision for her, so I dunno, but she did say she loved me a few nights ago (which she says she doesn't say easily, to anyone). I get that, she's a rather closed off person, but really fun and cool to be around when she's feeling happy.

In response to that text she sent me, I pretty much kept it light and joked, "knock knock.... will you let me be your knight in shining armor now?" Should've just left it at that, but I added, "I'm not some decision waiting to be made, fuck that. Either we go on a grand adventure full of fun exciting shit or we stay in and discuss the 'right decisions.' You decide."

Just getting tired of being looked at like a decision as to whether she keep dating me or perhaps she see other guys, dunno that's the vibe I got, but looking back I'm just being insecure I suppose. I'm not dealing with that kind of shit and I sure as hell won't be kissing her ass trying to get her to choose me, fuck that. I value myself far too much to be convincing her of my value.


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she was so emotionally centered before. I'm also her first boyfriend, so there's that, but other than me she doesn't have any other close friends that have lasted.[/b]
So she's pretty much depending on you here mentally. That can be taxing. If she has no social life, then that area on of her life is all on you. If she had a couple of girlfriends she can unload herself on to them.


What does this girl do with her life ? Does she have things going for her ? I fall for women that are independent. Because, I am here saying finally she got shit going for her, she does all these hobbies and she got her own money etc.

Next thing you know, I am stuck with entertaining her because SHE turns into an AFC. Then Im turning into an AFC to help her and boom, we both lose ourselves

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When I created this thread, I was distraught and was subconsciously letting her come between me and my life goals, but now I feel more centered again. .
At least you realize this, most guys are too attached to realize this. I have become victim to this a handful of times. nowadays I just keep a mental checklist if I am accomplishing what I want to accomplish. Lately, I have been surrounding myself with people who don't bring me down and add value to my life. This includes the women.

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I appreciate you guys. To answer your questions, other than feeling a bit down cause of her emotional spirals, I don't let it get in the way of life and doing the stuff I have to do to be successful. When I created this thread, I was distraught and was subconsciously letting her come between me and my life goals, but now I feel more centered again. She's not in the least bit materialistic (which is one of many reasons I fell for her in the first place), and she was so emotionally centered before. I'm also her first boyfriend, so there's that, but other than me she doesn't have any other close friends that have lasted.

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Today she sent me a long text saying that she's sorry to make me feel like shit, she doesn't mean to be difficult and just wants to do things right (this "right decision" has been coming up a lot lately), she says she always makes people feel like shit which is why she doesn't have many friends, how she tries and tries and keeps hitting rock bottom, but how she's working on herself. She called herself weak and said how she doesn't know if she even wants to help herself, that the only thing keeping her going on is because of the people close to her.

Yeah, I dunno, for me it's always been fun, flirting, teasing, just amusing myself, keeping things sexual, and living in the moment. I'm some kind of decision for her, so I dunno, but she did say she loved me a few nights ago (which she says she doesn't say easily, to anyone). I get that, she's a rather closed off person, but really fun and cool to be around when she's feeling happy.

In response to that text she sent me, I pretty much kept it light and joked, "knock knock.... will you let me be your knight in shining armor now?" Should've just left it at that, but I added, "I'm not some decision waiting to be made, fuck that. Either we go on a grand adventure full of fun exciting shit or we stay in and discuss the 'right decisions.' You decide."

Just getting tired of being looked at like a decision as to whether she keep dating me or perhaps she see other guys, dunno that's the vibe I got, but looking back I'm just being insecure I suppose. I'm not dealing with that kind of shit and I sure as hell won't be kissing her ass trying to get her to choose me, fuck that. I value myself far too much to be convincing her of my value.
You're still deferring to her to make a decision.

Why not YOU make that decision and take control back for yourself? That feeling of centeredness comes from making decisions, when you look to others to do that for you, you begin to lose yourself.

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Why not YOU make that decision and take control back for yourself? That feeling of centeredness comes from making decisions, when you look to others to do that for you, you begin to lose yourself.

Surround yourself with tailwinds, not headwinds and u'll succeed in life.

That's true. I think OP is more attached than he realizes. He is however, saying all the right things. He should be the one making the decision. You can only invite a person to go on the ride. You can't make them get on the ride.

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There's nothing I can do. At our age (I'm 20, she's 18), I guess it's normal for her to want to be involved with other people (which is what I assume, since she said she wants to experience what it's like to go on dates with other people). It looks like she doesn't want to be tied down in a LTR so I'm going to let her go. Man, breakups fucking suck. I told her to take a few days to get her thoughts in order. If there's a way to salvage this, that'll be it, but I won't hold out hope. Now what, back to square one of this shit again. But this has been one hell of a ride that I hope I can have again with another girl.


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There's nothing I can do. At our age (I'm 20, she's 18), I guess it's normal for her to want to be involved with other people. It looks like she doesn't want to be tied down in a LTR so I'm going to let her go. Man, breakups fucking suck.

Damn bro, you're a little young for that LTR business.... You got time. Forums are always here. If not do something to focus on other than your girl.

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When a girl tells you in a nice way that she wants to fuck other people, all you can do is accept the FWB frame, or walk away.

You'd be surprised at the effect of completely walking away from a woman.

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I told her to take a few days to do whatever she wants to do.

This girl checked every single one of my preferences on ethics, religion, hobbies, looks, you name it. It all went to hell the moment I got too controlling / needy and all I can do is learn and move on when that inevitable breakup comes in a day or so.

Anyway, is it weird that all I want is an LTR with somebody I care about and I don't want to fuck a whole bunch of girls?


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This girl checked every single one of my preferences on ethics, religion, hobbies, looks, you name it. It all went to hell the moment I got too controlling / needy and all I can do is learn and move on when that inevitable breakup comes in a day or so.
Yeah, it happens to the best of them. Not being emotionally centered is the #1 cause of getting dumped.

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Anyway, is it weird that all I want is an LTR with somebody I care about and I don't want to fuck a whole bunch of girls?
Not at all. The entire fucking point of all this IMHO is not to bang a bunch of okay women, but to bang one that blows your mind, A LOT.

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