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Chief, you're giving him great advice but it's too complex for a beginner.

Bart needs to focus on compound movements, they are the easiest and work multiple major muscle groups in 1 exercise.

Isolation exercises are hard to master for beginners and they work mainly 1 muscle group at a time. He's going to be in the gym forever hitting his front, middle, and rear, long head, short head, this angle, that angle, wide stance, short stance, forget it!

My first time lifting weights was with free weights and doing isolation stuff. Took forever, had to constantly learn and re-learn whether I was doing the right form. Sure, I learned...the long hard way. And the physique stalled.

I took time off, then started with a new mindset and new techniques. Compound movements. They did wonders.

I'd do compound movements, tried calisthenics, then for cardio, sprints at intervals, or box jumps, or those HIIT routines on Youtube. It worked like a charm and I spent half the time doing them.

So dear Bart, learn how to do in proper form a push-up and a pull-up. And yes, Chief is right, it's best you do the push-up with the dumb bells as there's a greater range of motion as you go all the way down and works your 'deeper' chest muscles so to speak.

For pull-ups, well, I'm a woman, I had no shame in asking a man at the gym to help me lift myself up with the rubber band. I felt my back get a better workout doing the rubber band pull-ups than the standard machine one.

Once you learn the simple stuff, variations are easier to learn.


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A standard push-up with dumbbells. Or without is also great. Make sure your elbows are tucked in, meaning closer to your sides, instead of spread out as a lot of beginners mistakenly do.
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Band-assisted pull-ups.
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Because pull-ups are probably the hardest to do for anyone, I do suggest you use machines like the lat pull-down and the row as added for the back.

Start with 3 sets of 10 repetitions for whatever you're doing.


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I'm not mad. I'm pleasantly surprised you've actually started going to the gym. You've actually exceeded my expectations.
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when people at the gym ask me "how many sets do you have left?" I just say "5" because I dont know what they are talking about.
LOL I can only imagine the look on their faces :shock:

Some people do 5 sets of an exercise at most. What you're saying when you have 5 sets left is that you've just started using that machine, pretty much. Pretty funny situation if the person who asked you that question saw you using the machine for like 10 minutes already.

As far as just doing push-ups and pull-ups go, before joining a gym to work with heavy weights I actually spent a month or two conditioning myself at home with bodyweight exercises. Every other day I would do what's called a "pyramid" of 100 push-ups/shoulder presses:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N40RLkDnG0o[/youtube]

The difference between what I did and what's shown in that video was that I used 12 lb dumbells instead of using no weight for the shoulder press part. I also use The Perfect Pushup instead of just doing pushups on the floor. Doing this with the light weights and the Perfect Pushup equipment made it harder, so to this day I still wouldn't be able to do it as fast as Scott is doing in the above video, but that's fine. I also did it just once the day I did it instead of 3 times spread out throughout the day like he recommended.

I still do this at home as a substitute for days I cannot go to the gym when it's the day I planned to work out chest and shoulders. For days I cannot go to the gym when I planned to work out back, I just do a bunch of pull-ups at home. These are only alternative substitutes but they are not as good as actually going to the gym and working with weights.

So, though it's too late for me to say this, you don't absolutely NEED to go to the gym if you're in the beginning conditioning phases, as long as you've done your research and know EXACTLY what to do in regards to bodyweight exercises, and if you already have a well-informed timeline of when you'd be ready to start going heavier with free weights at the gym afterward. That being said, hitting the gym straight from the get-go is never a bad idea.

You need to know what sets, reps, and splits are:

A very common thing someone will do is 3 sets of 10 reps (repetitions) of an exercise. Let's take the bench press as an example. This means you will get down on the bench, lift up the bar with an appropriate amount of weight on it, and push it up 10 times. That means you did one set of 10 reps. Then you take a break for about 1 minute. Then you repeat this same process 2 more times. You have just done 3 sets of 10 reps. You are now done with the bench press exercise and you're ready to move onto the next exercise after taking another short break. Don't spend more than an hour lifting at the gym.

How much weight should you be lifting? Well, if you're doing that standard 3x10 thing I've just outlined, the amount of weight you put on that bar should be whatever weight you can only lift 10 times (reps) with PERFECT form before your muscles give up and you can't lift any more.

A "split" is just your plan of which muscle groups you exercise on which days. I do what they call a "3-day split" and this is what it looks like:
Day 1: Push (bench press, overhead press, cable fly, and other pushing motions)
Day 2: Legs (squat, deadlift, calf raises, Pokemon Go...ok mostly it's just Pokemon Go and I skip le...nvm. Forget I said anything.)
Day 3: Pull (pull-ups, chin-ups, rows, and other pulling motions)
Day 4: Rest.
...then repeat. I also do abs every day (normally just hanging leg raises) except on the Rest day.

Most people do what's called a "5-day split" aka your standard "bro split." Look that up if you don't want something as intense as a 3-day split. But I think a 3-day split gets faster results in terms of muscle growth.

When it comes to cardio...fuck it, who needs cardio :P LOL

Also, you'll want to learn how to do all the basic free weight exercises instead of using machines. Youtube is a goldmine. Using machines too much can lead to underdevelopment of your stabilization muscles, which can make you more prone to injury in your day-to-day movements. You should really only be using machines to specifically target a certain muscle to make it bigger for competitive bodybuilding purposes or something. I dunno.

"How many sets do you have left?" People will ask you this because you're supposed to have a plan for which exercises you're doing that day, and the thing you're using is probably one of the only exercises they have left for that day. You will also want to ask this to someone if they are using a machine or station you need to use in order to reserve your spot as the person who will use it after the current person is done. Now that you know what sets and reps are, you'll know how to respond to this question correctly.

If you want to totally prevent infections and such, you'll do well to shower after working out at the gym. They can be very unsanitary places, especially if it's January and you've got an influx of ignorant New Years Resolutioners leaving their ass sweat everywhere without wiping that shit down afterward. You already caught something, after all... learn your lesson...

Above all, remember that every time you go to the gym, you're investing in yourself. You're taking care of yourself. You're loving yourself. You're building a better bartm and you're killing off the old bartm piece by piece.

Do you have a goal physique?
Chief,
thank you, that's a lot that you wrote. thank you, I got it.
my goal is to have a flat belly and look more buff. right now i have a beer gut and i hate it. I can hide it with the right clothes, in fact, a lot of people look at me and think I have a flat belly. but if I take off my shirt, my belly is huge, I look like those kids in africa that have a disease and their belly is huge. i hate it. as far as looking more buff, just bigger chest, bigger biceps, wider shoulders I guess?


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I'm not mad. I'm pleasantly surprised you've actually started going to the gym. You've actually exceeded my expectations.
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when people at the gym ask me "how many sets do you have left?" I just say "5" because I dont know what they are talking about.
LOL I can only imagine the look on their faces :shock:

Some people do 5 sets of an exercise at most. What you're saying when you have 5 sets left is that you've just started using that machine, pretty much. Pretty funny situation if the person who asked you that question saw you using the machine for like 10 minutes already.

As far as just doing push-ups and pull-ups go, before joining a gym to work with heavy weights I actually spent a month or two conditioning myself at home with bodyweight exercises. Every other day I would do what's called a "pyramid" of 100 push-ups/shoulder presses:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N40RLkDnG0o[/youtube]

The difference between what I did and what's shown in that video was that I used 12 lb dumbells instead of using no weight for the shoulder press part. I also use The Perfect Pushup instead of just doing pushups on the floor. Doing this with the light weights and the Perfect Pushup equipment made it harder, so to this day I still wouldn't be able to do it as fast as Scott is doing in the above video, but that's fine. I also did it just once the day I did it instead of 3 times spread out throughout the day like he recommended.

I still do this at home as a substitute for days I cannot go to the gym when it's the day I planned to work out chest and shoulders. For days I cannot go to the gym when I planned to work out back, I just do a bunch of pull-ups at home. These are only alternative substitutes but they are not as good as actually going to the gym and working with weights.

So, though it's too late for me to say this, you don't absolutely NEED to go to the gym if you're in the beginning conditioning phases, as long as you've done your research and know EXACTLY what to do in regards to bodyweight exercises, and if you already have a well-informed timeline of when you'd be ready to start going heavier with free weights at the gym afterward. That being said, hitting the gym straight from the get-go is never a bad idea.

You need to know what sets, reps, and splits are:

A very common thing someone will do is 3 sets of 10 reps (repetitions) of an exercise. Let's take the bench press as an example. This means you will get down on the bench, lift up the bar with an appropriate amount of weight on it, and push it up 10 times. That means you did one set of 10 reps. Then you take a break for about 1 minute. Then you repeat this same process 2 more times. You have just done 3 sets of 10 reps. You are now done with the bench press exercise and you're ready to move onto the next exercise after taking another short break. Don't spend more than an hour lifting at the gym.

How much weight should you be lifting? Well, if you're doing that standard 3x10 thing I've just outlined, the amount of weight you put on that bar should be whatever weight you can only lift 10 times (reps) with PERFECT form before your muscles give up and you can't lift any more.

A "split" is just your plan of which muscle groups you exercise on which days. I do what they call a "3-day split" and this is what it looks like:
Day 1: Push (bench press, overhead press, cable fly, and other pushing motions)
Day 2: Legs (squat, deadlift, calf raises, Pokemon Go...ok mostly it's just Pokemon Go and I skip le...nvm. Forget I said anything.)
Day 3: Pull (pull-ups, chin-ups, rows, and other pulling motions)
Day 4: Rest.
...then repeat. I also do abs every day (normally just hanging leg raises) except on the Rest day.

Most people do what's called a "5-day split" aka your standard "bro split." Look that up if you don't want something as intense as a 3-day split. But I think a 3-day split gets faster results in terms of muscle growth.

When it comes to cardio...fuck it, who needs cardio :P LOL

Also, you'll want to learn how to do all the basic free weight exercises instead of using machines. Youtube is a goldmine. Using machines too much can lead to underdevelopment of your stabilization muscles, which can make you more prone to injury in your day-to-day movements. You should really only be using machines to specifically target a certain muscle to make it bigger for competitive bodybuilding purposes or something. I dunno.

"How many sets do you have left?" People will ask you this because you're supposed to have a plan for which exercises you're doing that day, and the thing you're using is probably one of the only exercises they have left for that day. You will also want to ask this to someone if they are using a machine or station you need to use in order to reserve your spot as the person who will use it after the current person is done. Now that you know what sets and reps are, you'll know how to respond to this question correctly.

If you want to totally prevent infections and such, you'll do well to shower after working out at the gym. They can be very unsanitary places, especially if it's January and you've got an influx of ignorant New Years Resolutioners leaving their ass sweat everywhere without wiping that shit down afterward. You already caught something, after all... learn your lesson...

Above all, remember that every time you go to the gym, you're investing in yourself. You're taking care of yourself. You're loving yourself. You're building a better bartm and you're killing off the old bartm piece by piece.

Do you have a goal physique?
Chief,
thank you, that's a lot that you wrote. thank you, I got it.
my goal is to have a flat belly and look more buff. right now i have a beer gut and i hate it. I can hide it with the right clothes, in fact, a lot of people look at me and think I have a flat belly. but if I take off my shirt, my belly is huge, I look like those kids in africa that have a disease and their belly is huge. i hate it. as far as looking more buff, just bigger chest, bigger biceps, wider shoulders I guess?
Flat belly comes from diet mainly, and add some HIIT for cardio every other day - it will go a long way. I suggest abstaining from alcohol as much as you can, and dropping simple carbs.

What's your current diet like give us the run-down.


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I'm not mad. I'm pleasantly surprised you've actually started going to the gym. You've actually exceeded my expectations.
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when people at the gym ask me "how many sets do you have left?" I just say "5" because I dont know what they are talking about.
LOL I can only imagine the look on their faces :shock:

Some people do 5 sets of an exercise at most. What you're saying when you have 5 sets left is that you've just started using that machine, pretty much. Pretty funny situation if the person who asked you that question saw you using the machine for like 10 minutes already.

As far as just doing push-ups and pull-ups go, before joining a gym to work with heavy weights I actually spent a month or two conditioning myself at home with bodyweight exercises. Every other day I would do what's called a "pyramid" of 100 push-ups/shoulder presses:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N40RLkDnG0o[/youtube]

The difference between what I did and what's shown in that video was that I used 12 lb dumbells instead of using no weight for the shoulder press part. I also use The Perfect Pushup instead of just doing pushups on the floor. Doing this with the light weights and the Perfect Pushup equipment made it harder, so to this day I still wouldn't be able to do it as fast as Scott is doing in the above video, but that's fine. I also did it just once the day I did it instead of 3 times spread out throughout the day like he recommended.

I still do this at home as a substitute for days I cannot go to the gym when it's the day I planned to work out chest and shoulders. For days I cannot go to the gym when I planned to work out back, I just do a bunch of pull-ups at home. These are only alternative substitutes but they are not as good as actually going to the gym and working with weights.

So, though it's too late for me to say this, you don't absolutely NEED to go to the gym if you're in the beginning conditioning phases, as long as you've done your research and know EXACTLY what to do in regards to bodyweight exercises, and if you already have a well-informed timeline of when you'd be ready to start going heavier with free weights at the gym afterward. That being said, hitting the gym straight from the get-go is never a bad idea.

You need to know what sets, reps, and splits are:

A very common thing someone will do is 3 sets of 10 reps (repetitions) of an exercise. Let's take the bench press as an example. This means you will get down on the bench, lift up the bar with an appropriate amount of weight on it, and push it up 10 times. That means you did one set of 10 reps. Then you take a break for about 1 minute. Then you repeat this same process 2 more times. You have just done 3 sets of 10 reps. You are now done with the bench press exercise and you're ready to move onto the next exercise after taking another short break. Don't spend more than an hour lifting at the gym.

How much weight should you be lifting? Well, if you're doing that standard 3x10 thing I've just outlined, the amount of weight you put on that bar should be whatever weight you can only lift 10 times (reps) with PERFECT form before your muscles give up and you can't lift any more.

A "split" is just your plan of which muscle groups you exercise on which days. I do what they call a "3-day split" and this is what it looks like:
Day 1: Push (bench press, overhead press, cable fly, and other pushing motions)
Day 2: Legs (squat, deadlift, calf raises, Pokemon Go...ok mostly it's just Pokemon Go and I skip le...nvm. Forget I said anything.)
Day 3: Pull (pull-ups, chin-ups, rows, and other pulling motions)
Day 4: Rest.
...then repeat. I also do abs every day (normally just hanging leg raises) except on the Rest day.

Most people do what's called a "5-day split" aka your standard "bro split." Look that up if you don't want something as intense as a 3-day split. But I think a 3-day split gets faster results in terms of muscle growth.

When it comes to cardio...fuck it, who needs cardio :P LOL

Also, you'll want to learn how to do all the basic free weight exercises instead of using machines. Youtube is a goldmine. Using machines too much can lead to underdevelopment of your stabilization muscles, which can make you more prone to injury in your day-to-day movements. You should really only be using machines to specifically target a certain muscle to make it bigger for competitive bodybuilding purposes or something. I dunno.

"How many sets do you have left?" People will ask you this because you're supposed to have a plan for which exercises you're doing that day, and the thing you're using is probably one of the only exercises they have left for that day. You will also want to ask this to someone if they are using a machine or station you need to use in order to reserve your spot as the person who will use it after the current person is done. Now that you know what sets and reps are, you'll know how to respond to this question correctly.

If you want to totally prevent infections and such, you'll do well to shower after working out at the gym. They can be very unsanitary places, especially if it's January and you've got an influx of ignorant New Years Resolutioners leaving their ass sweat everywhere without wiping that shit down afterward. You already caught something, after all... learn your lesson...

Above all, remember that every time you go to the gym, you're investing in yourself. You're taking care of yourself. You're loving yourself. You're building a better bartm and you're killing off the old bartm piece by piece.

Do you have a goal physique?
I know you're being tongue-in-cheek with the comment about cardio, but to so guys aren't under any misunderstanding, cardio is CRUCIAL not only to the most important muscle of all, the heart, but also to developing a tone and aesthetic physique.

Why? Cardio especially some sort of brief, but intense, interval routine sheds fat far greater than what diet can do alone. Also, studies reveal that HIIT (a form of interval training) does in fact hit fast twitch muscle fibres and leads to muscular development, AND improves stamina which helps you train harder.


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I like how Bart totally ignored my advice on account of I'm a female I'm assuming? Therefore, I most certainly know the least about bodybuilding, and anything fitness. Duh!


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I like how Bart totally ignored my advice on account of I'm a female I'm assuming? Therefore, I most certainly know the least about bodybuilding, and anything fitness. Duh!
what are you talking about i totally ignored your advice?

n2thevoid, my diet: I eat everything, chocolate, bread, rice, chicken, sushi, pastrami, potato chips. i pay no attention to carbs/protein/whatever. i dont drink alcohol, i am like you, alcohol makes me depressed.


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I like how Bart totally ignored my advice on account of I'm a female I'm assuming? Therefore, I most certainly know the least about bodybuilding, and anything fitness. Duh!
what are you talking about i totally ignored your advice?

n2thevoid, my diet: I eat everything, chocolate, bread, rice, chicken, sushi, pastrami, potato chips. i pay no attention to carbs/protein/whatever. i dont drink alcohol, i am like you, alcohol makes me depressed.
Ditch the chips, sushi keep to a minimum, take out the bread too you're allowed 1 slice a day preferably a brown bread such as oat, wheat, or multigrain (look on youtube for Scooby, he has a good segment on how to find healthy bread thats not full of other crap that contributes to weight gain).

Replace white rice with brown rice. Raw oats such as quick oats in morning for breakfast (try keep bulk of your carbs to earlier in the day and tapper off as you go toward evening).

pastrami and deli meats are usually full of preservatives so ditch the jew food its not good for you

clean proteins such as chicken, turkey and fish are great

go all out on green veggies you can't eat too much of them they're full of nutrients and fibre


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I might be the guy who says "fuck cardio" but I'm also the guy who gets winded and needs to catch his breath after like 5 minutes of walking at a normal pace. Just so you know.

FINE I'LL DO CARDIO JEEZ


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I might be the guy who says "fuck cardio" but I'm also the guy who gets winded and needs to catch his breath after like 5 minutes of walking at a normal pace. Just so you know.

FINE I'LL DO CARDIO JEEZ
DO IT!!!

HIIT man, 20 minutes, do it every other day and feel the leaness. Its anaerobic so u'll only look denser/more muscular with this form of cardio. Its what sprinters use (and football players).


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