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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:30 am 
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Regarding desperation - maybe I wouldn't be the one to decide that alone, but I'm willing to wager that if that information was publicly known, that the majority of people, including women, would find it to be pretty pathetic.
Group think doesn't make it true. At the end of the day, it's the individual that needs to be happy with himself. It would be more pathetic to not do what you wanted to do because you are concerned what others will judge you. The guy that's balls deep in a woman isn't going to be concerned with what the other 49 women thinks of him.

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The analogy isn’t as horrible as the preposterous ones Neo threw out of comparing women to movies or other nonsense… but it’s still rather poor.
Lol. Auto, how are you going to be told that you twisted my words, then come back and twist them again. I never compared women to movies. You asked whats the point of a guy rating women on a scale, what are the rules for what is a 8, is it logarithmic and all kinds of crap. I said movies are rated, and rating things is just a way to show your opinion on it. THAT IS NOT COMPARING WOMEN TO MOVIES. That is comparing RATING movies on a scale, to RATING women on a scale. You need to stop twisting dude.

That being said, whether your goal is a LTR or one night stands, YOU PRACTICE MEETING, TALKING TO, ATTRACTING AND ESCALATING WITH WOMEN. Even if you want a wife, you get the best you can be with women as a whole, to have know what to do when you meet that special woman.
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There’s reasons I say this:

Speaking from experience, which includes the time after I got married, the less I actively cared about attracting women, the more I seemed to attract them. It could be a matter of perception... but it's the best I got. Fact of the matter is, once I had things going for me in my career, stayed in great shape and knew how to say something interesting – women were naturally attracted. It could be due to my having a good social circle via career and university connections.
Having women check you out, or smile at you, is NOT even remotely enough if you want to be good with women. You got married, and have 0 to 2 months experience with the book the Game. A guy doesnt just work out and go through life and takes added female attention as enough. Your lack of experience makes you think a guy getting some glances or some conversations with his wives friends means he's actually able to do something. You wont know this, because there is a HUGE difference between being able to get glances, and being able to approach and escalate correctly. You practice these things. Whatever your goal is. Do not pat yourself on the back as if you have experience.
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You may not understand the analogy because it's kind of obvious that you can't relate.
I would never tell a guy to just improve himself and his dating goals whether casual or serious, will change.

Guys, Practice. This guy is the type who gets glances and pats himself on the back like "I could fuck all these women."


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:12 pm 
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Wait...am I understanding this correctly?

1. Autoregressive is married.
2. Autoregressive doesn't do pickup.
3. Autoregressive doesn't know what pickup is.
4. Autoregressive's pickup knowledge comes from reading The Game.
5. Autoregressive's expertise comes from women noticing him.

I'd use an analogy to explain how ridiculous this is, but knowing Autoregressive's reaction to analogies that he doesn't understand might make that a bad idea.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:05 am 
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I would never tell a guy to just improve himself and his dating goals whether casual or serious, will change.

Guys, Practice. This guy is the type who gets glances and pats himself on the back like "I could fuck all these women."
You're pretty good at making up crap, that's for sure. I've actually straight up asked some of the women that I've interacted with if they "wanted to have sex with me" and got affirmative answers. The last sentence? Maybe not *all,* but otherwise, you’re spot on.
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Wait...am I understanding this correctly?

1. Autoregressive is married.
You got something right. What’s the problem? I apparently managed to attract and actually keep a girl (I obviously had girlfriends before I met my wife) and now have nothing valuable to say regarding meeting, interacting with and attracting women?
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2. Autoregressive doesn't do pickup.
What is pickup? I haven’t even seen a formal definition for it. Seems to be whatever you want it to be.
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3. Autoregressive doesn't know what pickup is.
See the above.
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4. Autoregressive's pickup knowledge comes from reading The Game.
That’s you making things up. I’ve read far more material than that. Too bad 99% of that was a waste of time. Again, when you define “pickup” I can certainly tell you more about me, to satisfy your fascination that someone who’s in a relationship can actually give advice to guys regarding women. Advice that doesn’t revolve around “just fuck her bro and don’t spend more than $20 on the date.”
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5. Autoregressive's expertise comes from women noticing him.
Well shit, if women only noticed bart, he’d be in a far better spot, eh?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:09 am 
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I would never tell a guy to just improve himself and his dating goals whether casual or serious, will change.

Guys, Practice. This guy is the type who gets glances and pats himself on the back like "I could fuck all these women."
You're pretty good at making up crap, that's for sure. I've actually straight up asked some of the women that I've interacted with if they "wanted to have sex with me" and got affirmative answers. The last sentence? Maybe not *all,* but otherwise, you’re spot on.
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Wait...am I understanding this correctly?

1. Autoregressive is married.
You got something right. What’s the problem? I apparently managed to attract and actually keep a girl (I obviously had girlfriends before I met my wife) and now have nothing valuable to say regarding meeting, interacting with and attracting women?
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2. Autoregressive doesn't do pickup.
What is pickup? I haven’t even seen a formal definition for it. Seems to be whatever you want it to be.
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3. Autoregressive doesn't know what pickup is.
See the above.
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4. Autoregressive's pickup knowledge comes from reading The Game.
That’s you making things up. I’ve read far more material than that. Too bad 99% of that was a waste of time. Again, when you define “pickup” I can certainly tell you more about me, to satisfy your fascination that someone who’s in a relationship can actually give advice to guys regarding women. Advice that doesn’t revolve around “just fuck her bro and don’t spend more than $20 on the date.”
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5. Autoregressive's expertise comes from women noticing him.
Well shit, if women only noticed bart, he’d be in a far better spot, eh?
Don't play the idiot if you aren't one. If you don't know what pickup is, then don't say that you've read material on it. Btw...just because you read about it doesn't make you experienced and insulting Bart doesn't give you any credibility.

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Don't play the idiot if you aren't one. If you don't know what pickup is, then don't say that you've read material on it. Btw...just because you read about it doesn't make you experienced and insulting Bart doesn't give you any credibility.
Too bad I’m not playing anything. I’m putting you on the spot and asking what is basically an open ended question. And that’s the whole point here, “pickup” is clearly different things to different people. In the broadest sense, it seems to be to “better yourself with women.” Back in the mid 2000’s it was a more limited definition. These days? Everyone and their cousin are giving dating and “pickup” advice. You just need a video of yourself with some decent looking girls and a loud voice.

And what makes someone experienced? Someone’s arbitrary definition? Yours? Heh…

Your credibility here is as good as anyone’s – including mine – it only goes as far as your rationale, logic and evidence for making whatever suggestions and claims you make.

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Don't play the idiot if you aren't one. If you don't know what pickup is, then don't say that you've read material on it. Btw...just because you read about it doesn't make you experienced and insulting Bart doesn't give you any credibility.
Too bad I’m not playing anything. I’m putting you on the spot and asking what is basically an open ended question. And that’s the whole point here, “pickup” is clearly different things to different people. In the broadest sense, it seems to be to “better yourself with women.” Back in the mid 2000’s it was a more limited definition. These days? Everyone and their cousin are giving dating and “pickup” advice. You just need a video of yourself with some decent looking girls and a loud voice.

And what makes someone experienced? Someone’s arbitrary definition? Yours? Heh…

Your credibility here is as good as anyone’s – including mine – it only goes as far as your rationale, logic and evidence for making whatever suggestions and claims you make.
Pickup is picking up women. No matter how you do it, if being able to attract the women you want...then that's pickup. Easy. I've been in the pickup community before the mid 2000's and there wasn't a more limited definition back then...it's the same as it's always been.

Experience in pickup is being able to actually seduce women and being able to repeat the process.

Actually, my credibility here is verifiable. I have people here that can vouch for my success with women.

My problem with you that you are too critical of other ideas here and all you talk about is your wife and girls noticing you. Instead of telling everyone else why they are wrong and arguing everything you disagree with...give us where you are coming from and how you got to that point. If you only fucked 2 other girls and your wife in your entire lifetime...at least give us some foundation on your mentality and approach instead of shooting everyone else down.

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You got something right. What’s the problem? I apparently managed to attract and actually keep a girl (I obviously had girlfriends before I met my wife) and now have nothing valuable to say regarding meeting, interacting with and attracting women?
That's like saying "I got a job so I should know a thing or two about interviewing". Shit, I just made an analogy. God dammit.

Anyway, it's invalid. Simply throwing the fact that you have one out there doesn't give you any credibility. For all everyone's concerned you could be working the night shift at McDonalds and be miserable doing it.

Credibility is earned. You know - just like in any other field, ever.

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For the record, when I say pickup I am referring to cold approach pickup. I am talking about walking up to women you do not know with the intention of having sex with them.

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Wow...is it really a point of contention that if you're a guy intending on meeting and dating women..you should practice meeting and dating women. I have no idea what this has to do with the definition of pickup. It's like isn't it common sense that doing something repeatedly improves your proficiency in that area?

Guys want to get good with women. But they shouldn't practice?

And auto...ok let's say you have asked women if they would fuck you and they said yes. I have no idea why you'd be married doing this lol. But let's say you have.A woman saying she would fuck you is different than her actually fuckibg you. It's different than actually seducing a woman into bed.it's different from actually being able to seduce her into bed consistently.There's a difference between being able to make a practice free throw and knowing how to make free throws during the actual game. How many threads are out there with guys who have chick's begging to fuck them and sending pics to him. Then when they meet...fumbles and girl disappears. I really can't believe that you think women telling you something malters. Getting glances..getting chick's to say whatever is not close to experience with women.


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The analogy isn’t as horrible as the preposterous ones Neo threw out of comparing women to movies or other nonsense… but it’s still rather poor. Sport and attraction aren’t the same. Get over it. Setting up time to “go meet women” sounds desperate as hell. Go out and do things you enjoy doing. Meeting new people, including women can be part of that. That’s a healthier mindset by a mile. Interact with women in the meanwhile. Nothing lazy about that.
Ugh. This is the same BS that always gets thrown out to everyone. It's the most boring, basic, bullshit dating advice there is. I'm sure it was originally penned 5 minutes after we invented cuniform and stone tablets. Well, chiseled maybe.

No one gets here without spending years following your "advice" first. I personally went over a decade without a date because I was waiting "to meet a woman while doing things I enjoy doing." That was even in my college days when my life consisted of a few athletic activities and the occasional party.

The thing I lacked was any of the skills PUA does teach, and which I am trying to practice. It doesn't just magically fucking happen. Conversation is a skill that can be trained, and needs to be. There's books out there like The Charisma Myth that cover some of this from a non-pickup angle, and even How to Win Friends and Influence People is famous from 80 years ago. Again, all about social interaction and the skills that can be practiced and mastered.

There's not that much difference between a jump shot and practicing approaches. And, you may not realize this, but approaching women can, should, and probably needs to be done whether you're looking for a lay or a relationship!


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Pickup is picking up women. No matter how you do it, if being able to attract the women you want...then that's pickup. Easy. I've been in the pickup community before the mid 2000's and there wasn't a more limited definition back then...it's the same as it's always been.

Experience in pickup is being able to actually seduce women and being able to repeat the process.

Actually, my credibility here is verifiable. I have people here that can vouch for my success with women.

My problem with you that you are too critical of other ideas here and all you talk about is your wife and girls noticing you. Instead of telling everyone else why they are wrong and arguing everything you disagree with...give us where you are coming from and how you got to that point. If you only fucked 2 other girls and your wife in your entire lifetime...at least give us some foundation on your mentality and approach instead of shooting everyone else down.
For now I’m taking your supposed success at face value, no issues there.
On the other hand, I think I did provide where “I was coming from” when I mentioned how I preferred to do it (no matter how long ago that was). Maybe I didn’t do it in enough detail? I’ll try to elaborate the next time this topic comes up. Regardless, sometimes I’m going to point out and shoot down suggestions that I think are complete bullshit, with limited or extensive explanation, whether some people here like it or not. I do this for the benefit of people who are in total beginner stages and need a wider range of opinions on a topic.
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That's like saying "I got a job so I should know a thing or two about interviewing". Shit, I just made an analogy. God dammit.

Anyway, it's invalid. Simply throwing the fact that you have one out there doesn't give you any credibility. For all everyone's concerned you could be working the night shift at McDonalds and be miserable doing it.

Credibility is earned. You know - just like in any other field, ever.
Just about nothing is verifiable on an internet forum. Seriously. That makes it pretty hard to earn any *real* credibility. I’m still betting that “HT…whatever” is a fake chick, for example. I like to focus more on ideas and interpretations of these ideas more than supposed ‘facts’ or what not about people here. Or help out with situational issues.
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For the record, when I say pickup I am referring to cold approach pickup. I am talking about walking up to women you do not know with the intention of having sex with them.
Thanks for clarifying. This is exactly what I’m talking about. Different definitions for different people. I could put you all in a room, give you a piece of paper and pen, and I’d get almost all different responses.
With that being said, I’d never give anyone advice on “going up to women with the intention of having sex with them” because I never thought or operated like that.
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Wow...is it really a point of contention that if you're a guy intending on meeting and dating women..you should practice meeting and dating women. I have no idea what this has to do with the definition of pickup. It's like isn't it common sense that doing something repeatedly improves your proficiency in that area?

Guys want to get good with women. But they shouldn't practice?

And auto...ok let's say you have asked women if they would fuck you and they said yes. I have no idea why you'd be married doing this lol. But let's say you have.A woman saying she would fuck you is different than her actually fuckibg you. It's different than actually seducing a woman into bed.it's different from actually being able to seduce her into bed consistently.There's a difference between being able to make a practice free throw and knowing how to make free throws during the actual game. How many threads are out there with guys who have chick's begging to fuck them and sending pics to him. Then when they meet...fumbles and girl disappears. I really can't believe that you think women telling you something malters. Getting glances..getting chick's to say whatever is not close to experience with women.
Good god, man, your attention is still killing you.
It’s not about practice vs. no practice. It’s about **healthy amounts** of practice. No overthinking or overdoing. Healthy. Amounts. Not excessive amounts. Not letting it get to your head and take over your life.
Are you displaying some thinly veiled misogyny? So what women say doesn’t matter now at all? I’m not suggesting I could sleep with ALL of them. I already told you this. Seriously, if you don’t get it, you don’t get it. I used to not get it. Now I do. I asked them because I was curious. You can never be good enough at reading these things. So I asked. That simple. After meeting them, chatting and establishing rapport and having personal conversations (not sexual) – if they were actually interested in something physical. They responded affirmatively with little hesitation. They knew I was married at that point. But they were comfortable enough with me to tell me that. You can discount that all you want. You just don’t get it. Period.
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No one gets here without spending years following your "advice" first. I personally went over a decade without a date because I was waiting "to meet a woman while doing things I enjoy doing." That was even in my college days when my life consisted of a few athletic activities and the occasional party.
This is where I tell you that you had other issues to iron out before you could do it “my” way – but you already know that. In my defense, and this is an issues others face too – we simply don’t know about ALL the issues someone has when they ask for advice here.

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For now I’m taking your supposed success at face value, no issues there.
On the other hand, I think I did provide where “I was coming from” when I mentioned how I preferred to do it (no matter how long ago that was). Maybe I didn’t do it in enough detail? I’ll try to elaborate the next time this topic comes up. Regardless, sometimes I’m going to point out and shoot down suggestions that I think are complete bullshit, with limited or extensive explanation, whether some people here like it or not. I do this for the benefit of people who are in total beginner stages and need a wider range of opinions on a topic.
I'm not necessarily a fan of the OP, but he isn't giving out bad advice in this post. The fact that he says practice and you say that's bad advice and you hate the analogy and then you turn around and say your advice is for beginners. Beginners get better at things through practice.

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Verifiable?

So how do you verify some's level of expertise? If two great engineers meet in the same room and talk tech, is it not obvious to both of them that the other person is qualified?
And if one great and one shit engineer meet in the same room, is it not obvious who's the real deal and who's the wannabe?

You can keep up an act on an internet forum for a while but even then, people with actual experience will see through it. There's a handful of posters on this forum that have provided invaluable and consistent advice over the years.

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This is where I tell you that you had other issues to iron out before you could do it “my” way – but you already know that. In my defense, and this is an issues others face too – we simply don’t know about ALL the issues someone has when they ask for advice here.
LOL... maybe, but plenty of guys get plenty of action while having plenty of issues. You can't simply say "I had issues" and expect us to believe that obviates the need for practice. Practice is how I need to deal with several of those issues... and if you don't believe the PUA community, maybe you'd believe my therapist. But no, you know better than everyone else... right?


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