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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:05 pm 
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I always look for a way to improve my life. Recently I ran onto this article on rooshv site about handling relationship with women. It's a long read but interesting one. Want to hear opinions.
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There are two ways to guarantee a healthy relationship. By healthy, I mean the girl is in love with you and there is no threat of her leaving; you have all the leverage you need to assure yourself peace of mind and a steady sexual outlet.

Meet your soulmate
If you are extremely lucky enough to cross paths with your soulmate this is the easiest way to live the kind of romantic bliss that Hollywood movies exalt. A soulmate connection is the Golden Ticket to happiness and a dreamlike existence. But it is rare. Don’t live as if it will happen to you. I estimate 1% of all men and 2% of all women meet their soulmates. The reason for the discrepancy is that male soulmates are in shorter supply than female soulmates. Male soulmates are shared amongst the women like a community hookah.

Instill dread
Women respond viscerally in their vagina area to unpredictability, mixed signals, danger, and drama in spite of their best efforts to convince themselves otherwise. Managing your relationship in such a way that she is left with a constant, gnawing feeling of impending doom will do more for your cause than all the Valentine’s Day cards and expertly performed tongue love in the world. Like it or not, the threat of a looming breakup, whether the facts justify it or not, will spin her into a paranoid estrogen-fueled tizzy, and she’ll spend every waking second thinking about you, thinking about the relationship, thinking about how to fix it. Her love for you will blossom under these conditions. Result: she works harder to please you.

The key for the man is to adopt a posture of blase emotional distance alternated with loving tenderness. Too much of either and she’ll run off.

Examples of effective doom inducement:

Turn off your cell phone twice a week. Alternate days. Don’t do this on a Friday or Saturday night unless the relationship is shaky and needs a high voltage jolt of dread.

Make a blatant but plausibly deniable move on one of her friends when she’s not around. The news will get back to her. Milk it.

Call her from a very busy place so that she can hear women’s voices laughing and shrieking in the background. Don’t tell her where you are when she asks. Just say you’ll see her soon.

Mention how skilled your Russian ex was at giving head. Bring it up again a few days later, pretending not to remember the first time you mentioned it. Bonus: Russians are very good at giving head, so this will have the ring of truth.

Be seen by your girlfriend flirting with other women in a social venue. Extra points if the women are attractive. Double extra points if you flirt without looking back at your girlfriend once to check her reaction.

Cook her a romantic candlelight dinner at home. Make it a memorable experience, complete with jazz, chocolate, and rose petals. Then, do not talk with her for four days afterwards.

Ignore her calls for a week. When you eventually answer and she reads you the riot act, act as if nothing was wrong and accuse her of sabotaging a perfectly good relationship, “just like all the other women in this stupid city. I thought you were different”. Hang up on her angrily.

When her best friend tells you how cute you and your girlfriend look together, shrug, put your hand to the back of your neck as if to scratch an itch there, look down slightly and with a mildly annoyed expression blandly sigh “Yeeeeah…”. Triple bonus points if your girlfriend is standing right there.

When she attempts the jealousy maneuver by flirting with another guy, act unfazed. Give her pickup tips.

Gaze longingly into her eyes, say how hot she looks, then immediately glance sidelong at the bosom of any strange woman in the vicinity.

Have a threesome. Spend an inordinate amount of time admiring the labia of the other woman. Be sure to moan louder with her. WARNING: If you cum on the other woman you will have to spend weeks consoling your girlfriend.

Say things like “I really value my independence and freedom” relevant to nothing in particular. It’s just a thought that popped in your head.

Thermonuclear Option:

Have an affair and make sure she finds out about it. Arrange the confrontation so that it does not happen at your place. When she confronts you, don’t get defensive. Don’t speak at all. Let her vent. Let her punch you in the chest and scream obscenities. When she takes a breather, tell her she’s never looked more beautiful and you will never stop loving her. Then without waiting for her response calmly walk out the door and break off all contact for two weeks. When she comes back to you… and she will… you will have a love slave for life.

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If you know that your relationship will be riddle with drama and you like that. Go for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Dread
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:59 am 
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If you know that your relationship will be riddle with drama and you like that. Go for it.
So you consider this bunch of nonsense? Just asking, no judging.

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If you know that your relationship will be riddle with drama and you like that. Go for it.
So you consider this bunch of nonsense? Just asking, no judging.

Its nonsense. I honestly think its a parody and he's joking


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:13 am 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the article was serious. People are stupid man.

The key to a successful relationship is pretty simple:

1) Have a life outside your relationship
2) Be a decent human being
3) Date another decent human being

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 Post subject: Re: Dread
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:28 pm 
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Yeah, instability is sexy as fuck, I agree, but it destroys people.

I had such a relationship where I was a jerk and everything went from super sweet to super horrible.

She was destroyed emotionally and phisically, and there was no way to get to a normal relationship.

Honestly, if you love a woman be yourself. What's the fuckin point of faking stuff with a woman you love?

For me there is no love without being comfortable and yourself.

This way of acting is super childlish and it's the reason why women complain there's a shortage of decent men.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:24 pm 
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This is the same stuff that misogynistic PUA coaches teach all the time. If you pay attention to the strategies that were listed in the article, it's teaching how to use patterns of abuse to have power over a woman.
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The thing about bullying people is that one day the victim of bullying will stand up for themselves. So as far as it being a fucked up tactic, it is also short-sighted.

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 Post subject: Re: Dread
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If you know that your relationship will be riddle with drama and you like that. Go for it.
So you consider this bunch of nonsense? Just asking, no judging.

Yeah, that's a terrible way to live. You are purposely injecting drama and the one suffering here is the woman. Not going to lie. I do a couple of these things but I am doing this while living my life, not consciously saying "oh let me turn off my phone now" and I am congruent because I talk about my hobbies all the time and about my job and my responsibilities. I have shit going for me, so that whole article, the fact that there's an instruction on how to keep her paranoid, is fucked up.


The guy that wrote the article probably LOVES drama. I personally will never do any of that shit. I am low level drama as it gets.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:40 pm 
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I actually do about half of these, though not strategically, lol.

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This is the same stuff that misogynistic PUA coaches teach all the time. If you pay attention to the strategies that were listed in the article, it's teaching how to use patterns of abuse to have power over a woman.
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The thing about bullying people is that one day the victim of bullying will stand up for themselves. So as far as it being a fucked up tactic, it is also short-sighted.
Great insight, Jack.


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 Post subject: Re: Dread
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There are two ways to guarantee a healthy relationship. By healthy, I mean the girl is in love with you and there is no threat of her leaving; you have all the leverage you need to assure yourself peace of mind and a steady sexual outlet.

Anything that purports a "guarantee" of anything, ESPECIALLY the outcome of something as fluid as human behavior, should be immediately be a huge red flag. "Guarantees" are cheap tactics to entice somebody to read an article that likely does not rest on any merit and needs to sell itself because its complete and utter nonsense.

Meet your soulmate
If you are extremely lucky enough to cross paths with your soulmate this is the easiest way to live the kind of romantic bliss that Hollywood movies exalt. A soulmate connection is the Golden Ticket to happiness and a dreamlike existence. But it is rare. Don’t live as if it will happen to you. I estimate 1% of all men and 2% of all women meet their soulmates. The reason for the discrepancy is that male soulmates are in shorter supply than female soulmates. Male soulmates are shared amongst the women like a community hookah.

So of course we know the author is pulling stats out of his ass, simply because they 'feel' right. Welcome to the Donald Trump's rule no.1 to selling ideas, no matter how cockamamie they may be.

Who's to say even a "soulmate" exists, let alone that we're predestined to finding and settling down with one partner for the duration of our lives. I don't even feel like getting into the rest of how wrong-headed this section of the article is as I'd sooner move onto other things.


Instill dread
Women respond viscerally in their vagina area to unpredictability, mixed signals, danger, and drama in spite of their best efforts to convince themselves otherwise. Managing your relationship in such a way that she is left with a constant, gnawing feeling of impending doom will do more for your cause than all the Valentine’s Day cards and expertly performed tongue love in the world. Like it or not, the threat of a looming breakup, whether the facts justify it or not, will spin her into a paranoid estrogen-fueled tizzy, and she’ll spend every waking second thinking about you, thinking about the relationship, thinking about how to fix it. Her love for you will blossom under these conditions. Result: she works harder to please you.

So basically women all suffer from a personality disorder of sorts, possibly bipolar or borderline personality. The articles knows no bounds to perpetuating mysogonistic ideas. Either it was written by an emotionally stunted 30 year old, or some 20 year old that came upon a community such as this and internalized all the dogmatic PUA mantras, techniques and strategies as if they were the gospel.

The key for the man is to adopt a posture of blase emotional distance alternated with loving tenderness. Too much of either and she’ll run off.

So the key to having a healthy relationship is to remain aloof yet tender. Hmmm...makes perfect sense. That second sentence "too much of either and she'll run off" is just thinly veiled prizing and fear-mongering as if to say "you've got to do XYZ to keep a woman" like she's some sorta lonesome dove that has to be caged or contained. What about the man having any value? Really. This is pathetic.

Examples of effective doom inducement:

Turn off your cell phone twice a week. Alternate days. Don’t do this on a Friday or Saturday night unless the relationship is shaky and needs a high voltage jolt of dread.

Wow. It gets even better. So poke at her attachment buttons and instil fear in her to keep her tethered. In other words, punish her to keep her off-kilter and wondering.

Punishment never works. Why? The behavior you're wanting to illicit from the other person NEVER comes out of a giving energy.

In short, the two of you will pay for this down the line much like a beaten down child who eventually revolts against his unrelenting parents (or classmates).


Make a blatant but plausibly deniable move on one of her friends when she’s not around. The news will get back to her. Milk it.

Call her from a very busy place so that she can hear women’s voices laughing and shrieking in the background. Don’t tell her where you are when she asks. Just say you’ll see her soon.

Mention how skilled your Russian ex was at giving head. Bring it up again a few days later, pretending not to remember the first time you mentioned it. Bonus: Russians are very good at giving head, so this will have the ring of truth.

Wow. I don't know what to say at this point, it just goes from bad to worse. I give up. This article is so disgusting I refuse to waste my time moving on with my critique.

Be seen by your girlfriend flirting with other women in a social venue. Extra points if the women are attractive. Double extra points if you flirt without looking back at your girlfriend once to check her reaction.

Cook her a romantic candlelight dinner at home. Make it a memorable experience, complete with jazz, chocolate, and rose petals. Then, do not talk with her for four days afterwards.

Ignore her calls for a week. When you eventually answer and she reads you the riot act, act as if nothing was wrong and accuse her of sabotaging a perfectly good relationship, “just like all the other women in this stupid city. I thought you were different”. Hang up on her angrily.

When her best friend tells you how cute you and your girlfriend look together, shrug, put your hand to the back of your neck as if to scratch an itch there, look down slightly and with a mildly annoyed expression blandly sigh “Yeeeeah…”. Triple bonus points if your girlfriend is standing right there.

When she attempts the jealousy maneuver by flirting with another guy, act unfazed. Give her pickup tips.

Gaze longingly into her eyes, say how hot she looks, then immediately glance sidelong at the bosom of any strange woman in the vicinity.

Have a threesome. Spend an inordinate amount of time admiring the labia of the other woman. Be sure to moan louder with her. WARNING: If you cum on the other woman you will have to spend weeks consoling your girlfriend.

Say things like “I really value my independence and freedom” relevant to nothing in particular. It’s just a thought that popped in your head.

Thermonuclear Option:

Have an affair and make sure she finds out about it. Arrange the confrontation so that it does not happen at your place. When she confronts you, don’t get defensive. Don’t speak at all. Let her vent. Let her punch you in the chest and scream obscenities. When she takes a breather, tell her she’s never looked more beautiful and you will never stop loving her. Then without waiting for her response calmly walk out the door and break off all contact for two weeks. When she comes back to you… and she will… you will have a love slave for life.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:03 pm 
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POWER WITH, not POWER OVER is a need for every human being.

Marshall Rosenberg said best with the following quote:

"Power-Over leads to punishment and violence. Power-With leads to compassion and understanding, and to learning motivated by reverence for life rather than fear, guilt, shame, or anger."


Also,

"If we ask two questions, we will see that punishment never works. First: What do we want the other person to do? Second: What do we want the other person's reasons to be for doing as we request?" you see that power OVER in the form of punishment, NEVER works.


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 Post subject: Re: Dread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:23 am 
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Well, glad to see that the posted horseshit was rejected pretty much unanimously. The guy who wrote that needs to be castrated with a hot iron poker.

Instilling fear and uncertainty into the heart and mind of someone you should care about is beyond idiotic and will lead to long-term failure. If you don't believe me or the other posters, try it and see.

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Well, glad to see that the posted horseshit was rejected pretty much unanimously. The guy who wrote that needs to be castrated with a hot iron poker.

Instilling fear and uncertainty into the heart and mind of someone you should care about is beyond idiotic and will lead to long-term failure. If you don't believe me or the other posters, try it and see.

I think the OP brought it up and that's the best thing anyone can do is ask questions. He's hasn't taken a stance on it yet. Chill brah

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:30 am 
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I think the OP brought it up and that's the best thing anyone can do is ask questions. He's hasn't taken a stance on it yet. Chill brah
That wasn't directed at the OP - by the way - more at anyone who buys into that crap ;)

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