Can someone tell me whats the issue if you marry a hot chick, you make way more money and she takes half of it when she leaves? I mean, its like you want to be able to play a game, and get upset when you lose. You use your money to get a chick, dont be mad when she takes the money. Thats fair. If a guy uses his money to get a chick "out of his league" then I'm sorry, your money should be gone if that doesnt work out. You want to be able to use something to get someone to be with you, then act like money shouldnt be involved during the divorce?! If you're with someone and a big part of that is your money, then dont cry when she turns the divorce into "let me get that money."Dont use money to get chicks. If you're a "5" overall, dont go shooting for the 20 year old hottie who is a bartender, all the while using your money to get her. If you do, then shut up when she goes after that money. I'm sorry, it just sounds like wanting to play the game of using money to get women, then being mad that one beats you at it.

Assertive, not sounding mean, but WHAT THE FUCK?!

When did I say she's buying expensive bags and jewelry? NEVER.

She's not even beautiful. She's average.

You just automatically confirmed my long held (and proved beliefs) that huge differences between couples, be it looks, success, money, intellect, and whatever the fuck else, is DETRIMENTAL.

Since when is 45k a year asking for handouts? There's teachers out there making 45k. It's a struggle, but it doesn't mean person's a low life.

What if you dated a chick that made 5x your salary? Are you the prostitute too?
You sound angry as hell and you probably do act angry when certain women don't give you the satisfaction that you want.

Here's the thing. They're both out of each other's leagues if you look at different aspects.

If she's a beautiful 10 and he's a lowly 5, she's out of his league.
If he's a rocket scientist and she's a bartender, he's out of her league.
So, their differences 'balance out'. Now, if he's both a rocket scientists and a hottie, well then that's double the trouble LOL.

If you had a rich man you would condone it.



I did not confirm anything regarding your beliefs. I am sticking to what you said. You said if a man makes more than a woman, the woman should be freeloading off of him. What kind of relationship is that ? Where is the equality ? 45k ? She can buy her own things as far as I am concerned.



If I happen to make a nice chunk of change, and I happen to fall for a woman who gets her own money but not as much as me, why is she entitled to my money ? You haven't answered this question. Why is she entitled ?


Scenario: Two friends: If it was a woman with a higher salary and another woman with a lower salary and they went out to eat, you bet your ass they would pay separately. Why is it different when a cock is involved ?

I refuse to let her drop an anchor in my wallet. I can get women and sex without bringing my card out all the time. I don't pay to play and these girls know it.

Please explain to me the incentives of marriage in western society. If you can tell me the perks. We can end the conversation here.

You know if I was dating a woman making that much money ? I would say what a majority of girls say today

and I would consider myself a prostitute because if this rich woman didn't pay up, she wasn't getting any sex that night. If the woman didn't buy me a car. She won't be getting sex. If the woman didn't buy me a house, she wouldn't get sex, if the women didn't pay for my dates, she wouldn't get sex tonight, if the woman didn't give me a proper date she wouldn't get sex tonight. I'm not a cheap guy, I want the works. I WANT TO FEEL SPECIAL. Even if girls think they have a monopoly on it through financial means.


and I am not angry at all. You've seen my posts, I am indifferent. I never once attacked you personally nor insinuated anything bitter about you. I am analyzing behavior. That's it. Plain and simple. I will be satisfied when a woman and I see each other as equals rather than money signs. But every time I bring up these points to a woman, i'm angry , or I don't care because there is an unspoken amendment "Thou shall not criticize a woman"

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It could be club girls, or it could be girls that just expect something from men because they are attractive. Every girl that I have seduced that was used to being wined and dined has said at one point in time "hmm, usually I am taken out on more dates than this"...

It just doesn't register to me that i have to take them out at all. But like Neo mentioned. I don't go out of my way to seek relationships with them because I already know it will take a great amount of maintenance on my part to keep her in check if I wanted to see her often. I have standards. I only see these girls once a week. The only time I see them is to use them for my own personal gain. I provide them with my masculinity and some fun and they provide me with social proof and when they aren't trying to get drinks and material things from other men at the club, they are having fun with me. Works for me.

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Thank you. I finally got something to look into this week.

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Dude, you need to chill with the attacks.
If I walk out in the street now and ask any man or woman, "Would you like a free vacation to Italy?" How many do you think would say no?

My friend's man pays for 80% of like everything, including vacations. Why? Because she can't afford to split it down the middle. Should she be his servant now too? Or should she break up with the dude because some guy out there thinks she thinks she's entitled to free vacations? Is that what it's about? 'Cause then I'd be happy as hell to shove it in my partner's face that I got a career that earns me well enough to leave his ass. I keep forgetting that love and relationships are all about who's got the upper hand.

When did I say if a man makes more than a woman she should be freeloading? Show me.

What entitlement have I mentioned? What are you even talking about?

I'm talking about beautiful women with little money marrying rich men. When did I say she's entitled to his money? YOU assumed that, going on about divorce, alimony and shit.

Actually, my last ex did just that. His buddy was broke, and he footed the bill for majority of their outings.

"I use them for my personal gain...and they provide me with social proof."

Wow, I'm trying to find the difference between you and the 'beautiful but broke married to rich dude woman'.

I don't see how your relationships are any better than the gold digger ones. It's the same use 'em, abuse 'em and lose 'em strategy.

Lastly, Assertive, I want to add this to my original quote to which you replied as 'legalized prostitution':

"Secondly, so what if he chose the hot one? He could have had both smokin' hot and big career, harder to find, but I've seen cases where the dude purposefully declined dating those types and opted for the poorer one? Why? Most likely insecurity issues and control. It's easier to keep her if she's depending on him largely. Less complaints, too, lol."

Last time I checked, takes 2 to tango. A smart successful driven man knows very well what he's getting into. Please don't tell me he's blinded by her beauty, but smart enough to climb to CEO.

From what I've seen with acquaintances, when this same hot chick wanted to better herself education or job wise, he opposed it. Why? Not stereotyping all such couples, but you know why he doing that? To keep her DOWN, to have control, so she doesn't leave because he's that insecure about himself.

I never said the guy isn't to blame for that situation. Most guys are conditioned to think wealth= pussy. And you know what those kind of guys are setting themselves up for ? Especially in marriage. To pay the maximum amount of child support and alimony when they get divorced and they deserve every bit of that like Neo said.

As for the attacks


I read most of your posts back in July. I never really responded to you because I know I will be violating the unspoken amendment in the Western world "thou shall not criticize a woman" or I will be seen as hostile, a misogynist, or a person that is bitter. These are your words, in this thread general-questions/paying-dates-vt197794-135.html

your words here
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I don't understand how meeting in a public place for the first 1-3 dates correlates to treating a woman like a prize. This is for her own safety. And if a man is gentleman enough to understand this, it shouldn't even be a discussion. I don't understand DJ_Zs point of view. He basically wants to put in minimal effort for maximal reward aka sex.


Pay to play mentality at its finest.


The difference is I don't make them go broke. And I won't let you take what I said out of context, they get masculinity and fun and I in return get social proof and they can be fun when they aren't seeking to throw their anchors into another mans wallet at the club.


Like Jack said, I didn't get your entitlement mentality at first but ever since a month has passed and I've been befriending girls who like status and material gains, it's not too hard to seduce them. I was the guy that gave you spaghetti and water by the way. . Lucky for me, most women think like you. Just makes it a lot easier.

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HT23VWY67 (what is up with that username anyway),

I've PMed you about this before, but please do try to use the edit function more liberally to prevent making too many consecutive posts. This isn't an official rule or anything but doing so will do us mods a huge favor of making it easier to go through these threads as it will condense the page count. Just asking as a favor; if you can't, that's OK but if you can, we will love you forever. Thanks!
I'm failing to find where Mr. Assertive "attacked" you, but feel free to PM me or any other mod if you feel like you're ever being trolled or flamed. We've recently banned someone who regularly broke the rules in your and other threads and we're already preparing to take a harder line against trolling sitewide.

I'm glad to see that the discussions in this thread have turned a lot more civil and constructive than before.

Uhm......You're taking things to the extreme here.

See, there's 2 scenarios. When you meet a chick that works as a secretary (let's say) with no other plans in life, then you have to be worried. But if you meet a chick that's working even the lowest paid professions, then you worry less. But again, if you're a CEO and she's a hairdresser vs. she's a doctor, you obviously have to worry more about the hairdresser chick than the doctor.

See, women always strive for a man that's HMV than them. It's just nature. If she's got the choice between going for the hot waiter vs the hot business man, well, there goes. Same goes for men. I think Jack posted that if he had the choice between a drop dead gorgeous woman but with 0 goals vs. a cute woman but with a decentpay, he's going for the second. Does that mean he's going for her money, that he's entitled? No.

I've been with cheap men, and never again. Men that make mental calculations before we've stepped into the restaurant. Men that worry about the mileage for their next outing. Men that are reluctant to tip. Men that paid $50 for a meal and then expect sex, and when you don't give it, they turn sour.


If he's being stingy about a $10 beer, he's sure going to be stingy for pretty much everything else, including my offspring. You're right- that's how a lot of women think. There's your entitlement there.

You want to screw HB 9s & 10s, and we want a provider that won't leave us with our kids in the street. (the world abounds with men that leave their children without any financial support).

JackZero prefers a woman with a career. Is that legalized prostitution?

Assertive, you should never get married. But if you do, marry someone that makes similarly to you.

Lastly, I've said this over and over again- that I'll go for a guy that's within my own socioeconomic level. I'm not going for a Donald Trump, relax.

Oh, and that dude with the spaghetti and water still messages me on the regular.

See, women always strive for a man that's HMV than them. It's just nature. If she's got the choice between going for the hot waiter vs the hot business man, well, there goes. Same goes for men. I think Jack posted that if he had the choice between a drop dead gorgeous woman but with 0 goals vs. a cute woman but with a decent pay, he's going for the second. Does that mean he's going for her money, that he's entitled? No.

He wants her to be able to pay for her own shit. but i will take it a step further and say stop giving me this crap about how girls with low incomes. They can afford to take a man out for dinner. They are not that poor, so stop with this whole pay discrepancy is detrimental, I don't buy that.

I will tell those men they don't have to do pay that much ever again for sex. And this is prostitution if you think men should spend this much.



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Isn't that extreme ? You're talking about unborn children. They are just fantasy in your head. And honestly if you find later down the road the guy is a bad dude and you have kids with him, women are just as much to blame but with glorified single mothers nowadays, no one bats an eye. It's usually "deadbeat dads"

Let me make this clear. If a man invites you out, then sure, let him pay. Now I am talking about women who after the outing expect the man to pay again the next time and look forward to another nice meal, that's who i consider to be the prostitutes.


You want to screw HB 9s & 10s, and we want a provider that won't leave us with our kids in the street. (the world abounds with men that leave their children without any financial support).


A woman is just as responsible for not having children with people that won't stick around after the baby is born. Once again, no one criticizes the women because we live in a pussy whipped world. It's always about the men being this and that. A woman is the goalie to her vagina. Don't give me this crap.


JackZero prefers a woman with a career. Is that legalized prostitution?

He prefers women that can stand on their own without these girls depending on him for everything. I don't blame him. 50 dollar dinners ? LOL. I think the most i've spent in the last two years on a girl was maybe 22.50 cents. And that bill was for the two of us. Ridiculous. And yes, that resulted in sex.





Assertive, you should never get married. But if you do, marry someone that makes similarly to you.

I am waiting for the benefits of marriage. You haven't given me incentives on why men should marry.

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Dude, label me whatever you want because at this point, our views are opposites.

Yes, women are also to blame for dead beat fathers but that still doesn't take away the responsibility of paying child support. Changing diapers, making food, taking the kid to the park, blah blah, that is also a contribution, even though not financial.

$50 isn't expensive. I've paid close to $200 for an outing with a guy that "left his wallet at home".

In your world, everything should be split down the middle, no ifs or buts.

When I met my ex, I was a student working part-time on $10 an hour and he was making 80k. We met online and he didn't even post his job title. He liked dining in fancy places and exotic vacations. I couldn't afford it. He didn't want to accept any money from me, so I bought him little gifts here and there. But finances wise, my contribution was downright minuscule compared to his. He liked the finer things in life and staying in watching Netflix or eating at a diner wasn't his idea of fun. Is this still legalized prostitution? Was I supposed to shoot myself in the head for this? Sure, there were times when I didn't feel comfortable with this scenario.

You and men like him are complete opposites. That's fine. Maybe you should go to the other end of the spectrum, find yourself a well to do woman who'll pay your meals.