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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:19 am 
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Hey guys, I'm not in the right frame of mind right now, so I would appreciate input from someone more experienced.

There's this girl I've been seeing for a few months. Today she brought up the "what exactly is this relationship" question, and I told her exactly how I felt -- that I considered her a girlfriend.

To that, she said "I see." So I asked her how she felt, and she said that she wanted it as well. She went on to say that she's worried because she doesn't feel as excited as I am, that when she mentions me to someone else she just wishes that she was more excited. She also said that she's worried about the future, that she doesn't want this to end, and that she's worried it'll end since none of her friendships have lasted. A lot of insecurities, I suppose.

Now, as much as I love my now official "girlfriend", her lack of optimism and overall uncertainty towards the relationship wasn't exactly what I envisioned, and I don't know if I should end it right here and now to save myself a future heartbreak. What would you do in my position? She wants to meet up tonight, but I think I'm going to instead give her some space to think (and space for myself to think).


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What would you do in my position?
Pull back. She's getting bored with the chase, she's obtained the prey. She kinda feels like the navy seals after the capture of osama bin laden. Like - Fuck! Now what.

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Hey guys, I'm not in the right frame of mind right now, so I would appreciate input from someone more experienced.

There's this girl I've been seeing for a few months. Today she brought up the "what exactly is this relationship" question, and I told her exactly how I felt -- that I considered her a girlfriend.

To that, she said "I see." So I asked her how she felt, and she said that she wanted it as well. She went on to say that she's worried because she doesn't feel as excited as I am, that when she mentions me to someone else she just wishes that she was more excited. She also said that she's worried about the future, that she doesn't want this to end, and that she's worried it'll end since none of her friendships have lasted. A lot of insecurities, I suppose.

Now, as much as I love my now official "girlfriend", her lack of optimism and overall uncertainty towards the relationship wasn't exactly what I envisioned, and I don't know if I should end it right here and now to save myself a future heartbreak. What would you do in my position? She wants to meet up tonight, but I think I'm going to instead give her some space to think (and space for myself to think).
Smh. If guys kept their mouth shut they can "date" girls for awhile before the girls like "i want to be with you exclusively"

If you are able to, i'd just say "I hear you, how about we keep dating to make sure this is a sure thing" and smile indifferently and keep on dating.

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Have you heard the classic advice regarding cat string theory?

Now imagine if you flipped the script and said this to her instead of her saying to you:
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She went on to say that she's worried because she doesn't feel as excited as I am, that when she mentions me to someone else she just wishes that she was more excited. She also said that she's worried about the future,
She will be all over you because she doesn't know she has you.

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Hey guys, I'm not in the right frame of mind right now, so I would appreciate input from someone more experienced.

There's this girl I've been seeing for a few months. Today she brought up the "what exactly is this relationship" question, and I told her exactly how I felt -- that I considered her a girlfriend.

To that, she said "I see."

Probably not the response you were hoping for.

So I asked her how she felt, and she said that she wanted it as well.

That you had to ask is quite telling.

She went on to say that she's worried because she doesn't feel as excited as I am, that when she mentions me to someone else she just wishes that she was more excited.

Curious to know how often you guys are seeing each other, and in general how often do you interact (e.g. text, phone calls, FB etc)?

She also said that she's worried about the future, that she doesn't want this to end, and that she's worried it'll end since none of her friendships have lasted. A lot of insecurities, I suppose.

She has some concerns towards feeling desired. An MJ Demarco quote comes to mind from his book Millionaire Fastlane -“To attract money is to forget about money: Want to make big bucks? then start attracting money instead of chasing it. Money is like a mischievous cat; if you chase it around the neighborhood, it eludes you. It hides up a tree, behind the rose bush, or in the garden. However, if you ignore it and focus on what attracts the cat, it comes to you and sits in
your lap.” Replace "money" with any object of desire, in this case women. Same applies, and yes this parallels Cat String Theory.

Build a sense of mystery and intrigue about you. I am not saying become aloof towards her, but don't be so available. And when you hangout plan some things to get the excitement level up, in addition to the other commonly suggested things such as fucking her good, being sexually suggestive at times *discretely* in public to get her juices flowing (e.g., hand on upper inner thigh during a movie or under the table at dinner, whispering what you want to do to her and how she turns you on, sneaking a quick kiss on the nape of her neck etc).

She's saying she's bored, really. Put another way, she's not feeling DESIRED. For women, DESIRE how you build attraction. Its the the strongest force a woman can experience in terms of making her feel sexy. Do this, but don't be vulgar and overly direct about it, rather be suggestive and 'taunt'/lightly tease, pull back have her wanting more, and then continue at an uneven tempo to keep her a bit off-kilter wondering what's next and when. This is how you build tension and satiate her need to feel desired.


Now, as much as I love my now official "girlfriend", her lack of optimism and overall uncertainty towards the relationship wasn't exactly what I envisioned, and I don't know if I should end it right here and now to save myself a future heartbreak. What would you do in my position? She wants to meet up tonight, but I think I'm going to instead give her some space to think (and space for myself to think).

You're liking this girl, so ending it u'll only regret wondering if you did this differently would the outcome be different. So, take it as a learning opportunity as she's TELLING you clearly what she wants, and giving you the opportunity to do it. Re-calibrate, shift gears. Start building that mystery and intrigue I'd talked about above. Be THAT guy, TAKE the lead (she's wanting you to), rather than shy away and run because you succumb to fear. Don't give her time to THINK, she's not a GUY, she's a woman and women are EMOTIONAL attuned creatures of the moment. If you give her an experience she'll never forget, that's whats going to make it easier for her to be decisive in wanting to jump into your arms (and onto your cock). She's guiding you because she wants this to work and wants you to man-up and do something about this. Giving her space and moving away from her is exactly the opposite and will likely signal to her that you aren't the guy for her and she'll simply move onto another who's willing to take the reigns.

Your move cowboy.
Think of desire as oxygen to keep a flame going. You want to stoke the flame to make it burn more at times, and other times just keep it steady.

When a guy pulls back (due to his own fear of rejection) he's doing the opposite in such an instance, and essentially stops providing the oxygen for that flame. Now, if he's pulling back because he's been too available that's a bit of a different thing altogether, in which case he's provided too much oxygen to the flame and it begins to die-down due to over-exposure. In your case it seems like the fire is a bit oxygen deprived.


Here's what you're going to do.

You're going to meet her tonight, with a renewed sense of energy about you. Plan something nice where the two of you can be intimate. DISCARD any notion of her losing interest, and just focus on the moment with her. Take her for wine and appies, and a walk somewhere nice and romantic if its warm bring a blanket set it down on a beach or at the park look at the stars, or go back to yours and lick her like a drippy ice cream on a hot summer day, get your fingers up in there like you're like an asian kid at an origami contest before you plug her.


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This sounds like you're going to dump her because you're insecure. Why? You like her.

Just play it cooler and control your emotions/neediness.

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You basically have to decide if you want to leave her over her insecurities (which are a problem to you, understandably) or if you can ride it out and let her past emotional damage heal (from the previous friendships that she lost). Neither choice is easy, but it's one that you'll have to make.

And I disagree completely with the "she's bored" comments - that's total bullshit. She's insecure. She's had emotional trauma in the past. That's not boredom. Not by a long shot. Assuming she wasn't fumbling her words when she said "she wanted it too" (to be your girlfriend). If you want to keep the relationship together, you just need to do your best to ride it out and in the meanwhile do your best to keep things positive (including the sex, dates, etc - like someone else mentioned).

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I kept it light and fun, took her on both fun dates and the intimate kind, and for a while it was fine, but she's now back to "what am I doing" and "I want to make the right decision" and "I don't know if I want to do this anymore, I feel like I should be studying, meeting new people, etc."

Ehh, I dunno if I want to deal with this anymore. I value my emotional happiness far too much to be pulled into this kind of drama.


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I kept it light and fun, took her on both fun dates and the intimate kind, and for a while it was fine, but she's now back to "what am I doing" and "I want to make the right decision" and "I don't know if I want to do this anymore, I feel like I should be studying, meeting new people, etc."

Ehh, I dunno if I want to deal with this anymore. I value my emotional happiness far too much to be pulled into this kind of drama.
Move on, give space.

You've nothing to lose, you get back to yourself and centre again and if she comes back she comes back, if not you've at least started on the road to recovery and before long will have something new and exciting with a clean slate.


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I kept it light and fun, took her on both fun dates and the intimate kind, and for a while it was fine, but she's now back to "what am I doing" and "I want to make the right decision" and "I don't know if I want to do this anymore, I feel like I should be studying, meeting new people, etc."

Ehh, I dunno if I want to deal with this anymore. I value my emotional happiness far too much to be pulled into this kind of drama.

Alright, now that you are done following romeo's advice up there about the dates.


Maybe i can help. Ask yourself these beautiful but necessary questions. What is she bringing to the table to your life ? Does it make sense for her to bring up commitment ? Are you being shamed/guilted into commitment ? Does it feel one sided ? Is it your job to make her fall in love with you ? If I told you to balance your relationship, will your side be the one that is more invested. Is she a girl worth investing for ?

Now the other coin. What are you doing with your life ? Are you happily involved in things ? Have you seen a decrease in your hobbies or things because of this one girl ? Girls are very good at making the men they liked in the beginning, change up their attitudes and their hobbies because most girls tend to be one sided. Me, me, me, me , me is what most girls think of. They don't understand a males perspective.

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I kept it light and fun, took her on both fun dates and the intimate kind, and for a while it was fine, but she's now back to "what am I doing" and "I want to make the right decision" and "I don't know if I want to do this anymore, I feel like I should be studying, meeting new people, etc."

Ehh, I dunno if I want to deal with this anymore. I value my emotional happiness far too much to be pulled into this kind of drama.

Alright, now that you are done following romeo's advice up there about the dates.


Maybe i can help. Ask yourself these beautiful but necessary questions. What is she bringing to the table to your life ? Does it make sense for her to bring up commitment ? Are you being shamed/guilted into commitment ? Does it feel one sided ? Is it your job to make her fall in love with you ? If I told you to balance your relationship, will your side be the one that is more invested. Is she a girl worth investing for ?

Now the other coin. What are you doing with your life ? Are you happily involved in things ? Have you seen a decrease in your hobbies or things because of this one girl ? Girls are very good at making the men they liked in the beginning, change up their attitudes and their hobbies because most girls tend to be one sided. Me, me, me, me , me is what most girls think of. They don't understand a males perspective.
Curious what you mean by this. Are you simply talking about how some women view men as fixer-uppers?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:19 am 
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Well N2, I understand that you like going full on love mode when you find a girl you like. I happen to not work that way because I am a complete mess when I let emotion run my actions.


All I am asking of the OP is to tell me how his life has changed bringing his "girlfriend" into his life. I understand that you make time for people who can potentially make you happy and that's a reasonable assumption.
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but she's now back to "what am I doing" and "I want to make the right decision" and "I don't know if I want to do this anymore, I feel like I should be studying, meeting new people, etc."

Is translated to me that she doesn't really have anything going for her. It seems that she is dependent on the OP to make her happy. The problem I had with your advice is that it was good in the quotes until you started suggesting dates for the OP. Those kinds of dates work well for women that are in love with their man. All it did now was push her further. In this scenario, you actually WANT her to think. Women fall in love with thought. That's why you see women falling in love with celebrities that they have never met. The correct thing for the OP to do was to actually just step back, regain his composure and re-visit the situation. If his lady was asking why the OP was not so available, the OP can brush it off as he wants to focus a little bit on a hobby, maybe work, or even maybe just taking a little mental break before coming back to his girl with a fresh brain of logic. He isn't running away, he is doing both of them a favor.

The irony is now this will create intrigue with the girl. Now all of a sudden, oh shit, why is he not here, where is he, who is he with, does he still like me. She will go full on girl analytical mode.

Now, I am not advocating doing this out of causing these kinds of emotions with a woman. The flip side is that the OP would have been able to regain his composure to better give his lady what she wants. It's healthy to remember who you are and what you're about. I do this. I disconnect so to speak with the real world and when I reconnect, I am fresh and ready. Nothing wrong with that. I am not running away. I am coming back to the problem and solving it with a cooler head.

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^^Ok well thank you for not answering the question and going on a diatribe about something non-related lol


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dude. she is giving you IOI's left and right!!!! why on earth would you just ditch?? keep practicing and google/youtube around. she's just feeling insecure because you are. you need to inject some more fun into it. more jokes, more teasing, more touching, more making out, more fucking.

the keywords here are: FUN and MORE


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^^Ok well thank you for not answering the question and going on a diatribe about something non-related lol

Lol. My bad. Well I thought of the OP since it was his thread. To answer your question, say your average girl is a woman who is used to getting her way using her looks. She never really grows up and never really understands how she comes off because everyone has let her do it all her life. This pretty much creates the me mentality.


Imagine if you had to pretty much entertain the girl your whole relationship. She got by with her beauty so why does she have to work hard at developing any passionate hobbies or personality? She fell for you because you did something for her. Doesn't have to be monetary. The problem now is that you have more things going in your life than her. All she has is her looks, and work. Sounds pretty boring. Even worse if she doesn't have a social life to boot. You will start hearing "ditch the gym, here's some sex". She doesn't realize that the muscles she likes, is created by you dedicating some time to the gym. Women will test you on whether you like a hobby more than them. Most guys do less of their hobby to please them. That's why we always tell guys to improve their life and don't change. Changing will pretty much make her lose attraction for you.


Women are not really told that. They aren't told they are being too needy or that they should pursue a passion. They are stuck in a reality where everything is handed to them. Like children you raise. Children are geared toward their own happiness and don't really consider anyone else until you teach them that they aren't the only ones in the world. Me, me , me , me, me , me

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