Ok. Here are the facts. I've been seeing this girl (or working with her rather? idfk) for about about a month. yes we work at the same "place" just not at the same location. We ust bump into eachother and do stuff together sporadically. She is sexy (or cute rather. typical good girl material you want to bring to your grandma for dinner) as hell but she IS KINDA seeing someone who is a total douchebag christian. I know this guy. he is a douchebag and i know at least one of his relatives (good high value male friend of mine. he totally supports my move on her), and i know at least two of her friends (one who also supports me on this and is also HV).

AND this is the crazy part: she is 7 years older than me! 34-27 that is fucking sexy!!!!!!!! im dying!

Also. She has a kid (4yo).. Please God, dont let him grow up with a christian stepfather.... pleease..... ive seen way too many kids get messed up in the head because of people like this.... i even used to be one, until i realized i was getting mindfucked deluxe. i am however still spiritual and i respect religion, even christianity, but this guy is the very negative type. i dont know if she is a christian YET but my female HV friend is on the case of trying to find out, and if so HOW christian she is..

This is the thing. We go out to places all the time during work. Coffee, walks, drives whatever. We send playful messages (some of the lame ones get ignored from time to time lol, but hey i think she likes it in some narcististic way), and i STILL feel she is playing with me. I did screw up with a few lame txt's but ive gotten smileys and laughs and i dont really care about that. Its not that important, she knows how i am in RL and i can get away with some stupid texts with clever NEGS. Im just not sure if she is flirting, playing hard to get, just playing or being polite.

I just cant tell if she is flirting with me! Its driving me nuts! It seems she does everything she can to do that. Should i try to go harder or softer? And when i isolate target should i try to go for it or should i kino escalate more, because i have been really neglecting that part.

Thank you... Im seeing her again tomorrow (hopefully) and i will try to isolate her again. I have a few special places i havent shown her yet, so its pretty urgent. Im also wondering if i should try to send a txt or call her to invite her.

AND please do not hesitate asking for more info or giving suggestions! It would help alot. This one is very difficult and so worth it.

Women typically like men to lead. This includes escalating the relationship. If there hasn't been any kino at all in the interactions, don't go overboard when you start. Do it slowly. See how receptive she is to it. If she starts doing it back to you, take that as an IOI. If she doesn't resist at all, or seem like it's bothering her, that can be an IOI as well.

Text or call. Doesn't really matter if you know her well. You called the boyfriend a "douchebag". Pretty much every time I hear that word, it means he's got alpha qualities. If you want her, you're gonna have to be more alpha than he is. If you haven't done anything "man to woman" at all, she probably just views you as a friend.

i have a plan, but im not sure if its gonna be too intense. i dont want it to be too little intense either. i dont want to reveal to many details, but i will try to isolate target at a reeally nice and private place. alot of beautiful nature here. problem is, she has alot of work and is always busy busy busy... i feel like i nag sometimes on txt, but i havent gotten any negative responses except the little silence SPAM until the next time i see her lol..
no not alpha male. christian good guy. she didnt even congratulate him on facebook on his birthday unless you count a steady job with pretty average wage as alpha. maybe a liiittle bit over average (idk), but i can beat that. He has a sole proprietorship ("Listing of buildings"? Sorry, google translate.)

the main thing is: he is the son of the boss at the municipal service we work at..

(does local hip-hop celebrity ex-con with a small network within her circle count as alpha male? (please dont moralize me right now..... good guys go to jail too.. its the bad ones that get away sadly...)

and remember! its NOT always about being the biggest baddest alpha male either. im not gonna start a fuckin company n shit. sometimes its just about pushing the right buttons. ive seen supermodels walking around with nerds, dont get stuck on the "alpha male butch" myth. some girls even think thats a turnoff. it all depends.

concider this: her dude is self employed, the son of the boss where she works, she knows im a recovering alcoholic and ex-drug addict. she still follows me around like a puppy when i meet her in person.

its basically pseudo alpha male vs. badboy

I'd be real fucking careful if she's dating your boss' son. I think you misinterpreted what I said. "alpha qualities" from my experience, ALL women are attracted to these qualities. Not your personal definition of which characters in society are considered "alpha males". Since he's the boss' son, he probably goes around like he owns the place. A leader of men, if you will.

You really don't have to beat him overall. Just in that moment. You're there, he's not. If you've built attraction properly, and start escalating, maybe something will happen. I don't know the girl, but I generally can't really see them getting too physical in a public place. It's probably going to make her feel slutty, and if someone sees, it could fuck things up with her boyfriend. How far is this place you're wanting to take her from your home? I'd try to get her back there if at all possible.

I do not care about this worplace at ALL, and i know the boss pretty good. He's related to the alpha male friend of mine i mentioned. Very nice guy and we talk alot when we see eachother.
Public place is NOT gonna happen, although we do hang out there alot. She is way classy and would never do anything lie that publicly. I live in a small town surrounded by forest and nice places, way better than my crib.

I have two questions:
1. How should i escalate? (I have something in mind but I need a backup plan / second opinion)
2. Should i initiate contact (if so, txt or phonecall?) immediately (around morning), later (around lunch?) or should i see if she contacts me?

Come to think of it, we're going to the library during the day! Its a fucking boring public place, but are there any opportunities there? I cant think of any except maybe look at some smart ass books or something lol or discuss literature (I actually made out with a girl on the couch in that library........ Ah the memories...)

This doesnt belong in the lounge.