The point I am trying to make is that you have multiplied that one guy at the bar by 1000 followers. If you're even hotter and somehow have a nice ass, that's +5000 followers right there. If you are showing tits thats another 2000+followers. Eventually it adds up and this girl has 10k followers of men kissing their ass. That's my point. The unhealthy mentality comes in when these girls are turning down guy after guy to the point where their standards become unreasonably high for the average joe. I take a gander at why guys are threatened by social media nowadays. it's easy to fall into the trap of "this chick has 40 thousand followers" she must be some type of special, I should probably treat her as such.


The problem lies with men, but I am 100% positive that shit won't change. America is run by men who endorse rules to benefit women and not benefit men. As for myself, and some of you, you guys see the truth but as for the rest of the population of men, this leaves them in an unhealthy mindset and it leaves girls on a pedestal that they probably think they deserve somehow. One dimensional sure, but it's no longer just in the real world, now it's spreading to the virtual world. The girl then tries to bring that mentality into the real world and you can see where this is going..Chivalry is just benevolent sexism. Being a nice guy is being a sexist pig.

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In truth, how many of these women with 1000's of followers have you crossed paths with and then approached? I've met plenty of girls that fit the description that you've talked about but they aren't exposing themselves in the way that makes them popular on social media. To me, what you are talking about are the women that are branding themselves to reach some sort of celebrity status.

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With a 1000 followers? A few. Those aren't hard to find. I have a handful of them in my current social circle. Out and about, I assume the beauty factor with her having a decent following on social media and it's usually turns out that way after I number close and start adding them on social media. I've come to assume that if she is showing her tummy or accentuating her body in some way, she will have 1000 followers easily. And so far I have not been proven wrong. It's not even branding any more, it's more about knowing the power they can wield if they show a little skin. It seems that majority are following suit. The advantage of me being in their social circle is me watching everyone else kiss their ass and me keeping my mouth shut and just watching the magic of what i've been saying unfold. I know better, I know that these girls are just regular chicks with just nice features. The problem is that it's just easier to get validation with social media. Women are all for it. It benefits them. I don't play that game. I don't ever like their photos or any of that shit. I may make a smart ass comment but that's about it.


The same guy that is kissing her ass at the bar will be the same guy that will be kissing her ass online. It's a double whammy of validation. Girls are addicted to validation.

It doesn't take much for a girl to realize that sex sells or that her beauty opens the doors for opportunities that girls that take the "i'm more than a body" does. I think the majority of women are the girls you have been running into.


What I think most of the seasoned players here are having trouble with is backpedaling and seeing it from the average joe's eyes. I know yall are enlightened by the truth but this thread is to address the 200 dudes that like a womans photo on the regular and how it just cements the pedestal, pay to play mentality.

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I was talking about the 40k followers type of girls. I don't run across those often, but I'd still approach them. The girls that I know that have 1000 or so followers/friends tend to be normal girls. Maybe because I live in LA, those girls are a dime a dozen.

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I probably should bookmark this thread and leave it there. I don't live in NYC anymore so I don't run into those girls out here. I would put where I live now but I won't just because I have realized it's just a huge social circle where a live. Someone knows somebody. I plan to move back to NYC in a year or two. Just because I know my game will grow there.


The platform that these women where i live love to use is Facebook. Hence, the remarks about huge social circle. Girls that have 4k friends, I know them. Normal girls to me but dual identity crisis to others. Its amazing to watch. With me they act normal and when they are around other guys they put on the front and then back to normal with me.

I would invite you to share your experiences. For now, I have limited experience with the 40k followers because of where I live. I will update once I get back to NYC.

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The women I come across rarely have 1000's of friends on facebook and I live in a pretty big city. I was in a relationship with a girl that had around 15k followers on Instagram, and she had lots of bikini, bathroom selfies, and tight dresses on her account but she didn't show any sense of entitlement.

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How about in regards to other people ?

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The only thing I've noticed is that they can be cold when it comes to guys approaching them. The only reason for this is because guys constantly approach them when out. It's not because of entitlement.

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Hmm interesting. I think I just realized I befriended a materialistic girl without realizing it. I like to call them. Club girls. I guess you bypass those naturally. Interesting.

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Here's the thing though, you're forgetting the second part of the equation. Sure a chick may get tons of attention online, but she can see who its coming from. Its mostly creepy, unattractive, needy guys. Then she gets attention from attractive guys as well, she meets some of them. Some physically attractive guys turn into losers in person and turn her off. Other attractive guys bang her and move on. So she learns quickly that the attention online doesnt mean anything. Its like if you received a bunch of companies looking to hire you, you'd be overly confident. Once you realize that most of the jobs are for janitor, you'll come back to earth. So sure, maybe a chick may get a big head the first month of some internet attention, but after that, she'll see how real and the caliber of guy that attention brings. If a chick is still thinking online attention is real after a month or 2, thats more a sign of a highly delusional borderline psychotic female.

Thing is this...there are hot chicks who want you to abuse them physically. Thats not my thing. There are hot chicks who want you to be a straight up dick to them. Thats not my thing. There are chicks who want you to do coke to be with them. Thats not my thing. There are hot chicks who have multiple personalities due to social media. Thats also not my thing. Sure I can date them of fuck them, but those are red flags to me...and there are enough hot women out there to not choose those to date or fuck. The women you attract to your life, are a reflection of yourself. If the women you are meeting/dating/hanging with have these delusions, you gotta ask yourself whether that means something in society is changing, or whether its you. If entitled women are a turn off for you, why hang with entitled women as friends? And if there is some reason, you still have to ask yourself who grounded in yourself you are to accept women with a certain mentality, once it doesnt affect you. I dont like entitled women. And Ive known entitled women who acted cool with me. But I still dont hang with them. And tbh, I dont think I could attract an entitled woman because it comes off of me that her mentality is not my thing. Have standards for the type of people/women in your life. Then you'll find less of the type you dont like.

I think we all find certain personality types that we are able to deal with better than we do with others. It's likely because there is a feeling of familiarity and we intrinsically understand how to react to them. I get along with women that have fiesty personalities and that's probably because the women in my family are those types, so I grew up around them. I actively have to put in effort to stay away from them because they are one of my weaknesses and I end up stressed out if I post up with one longer than a few weeks. I'm pretty sure that the club girls that you are drawn to may be because these are the girls that you can also predict their actions and reactions.

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I have female friends. Many are attractive, some of them are gorgeous. But none of them have these crazy social media accounts, with a million selfies and thousands of followers. All have had their fare share of boyfriends and occasional one night stands. Most of my friends I've made while in college. Most are highly educated - now doctors, teachers, pharmacists, lawyers.

Those girls you describe, for the most part, are either doing social media for their profit (fitness models, MUAs, etc.) or downright airheads. I'd take it you guys are aiming for college chicks (with a major in Art History or English lol), the generic club girls, etc.

I've also found that clubbing hits the limit at 25ish. With age, with more education, more interests, you just lose the interest in clubbing.

Ah, the old "I don't go to clubs because I prefer higher quality girls" fallacy.

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If you're looking for easy sex, go to a club. But a serious relationship? Chances are a high quality woman is too preoccupied with other things than a club. I've never found a high quality man at a club. Most were dead beats, or just looking for some ass.

I cant really argue against HT's point. If you consider an aspect of a "quality" chick to be education or career, lets be honest, you're not going to find many female lawyers with thousands of followers for selfies. You can find some, as with anything but most chicks you see like those on instagram aint lawyers. As to the club, you can find quality at the club, but its not the best or one of the best places to do so. Personally, I think "quality" is up to you, just dont say chicks who go to the club are quality, when you're having to run jealousy plotlines or freeze outs every week cause the chick is going out with other guys or you suspect she's fucking her ex. You gotta define what quality is to you.