Hello guys, i don`t know english well, but i`ll do my best to explane you my problem (you know it already)
i know there is many topics about friend zone and problem i am stuck in there, but i need some serious advice - what to do. I like her and i want her.
I`ve known this girl since 3-4 years. We been always good friends we talked alote for everything, even for sex and etc. I am 29 years old - she is only 20. Never expirience such a feelings before and i don`t know what happened.
So maybe from an year ago we are really close - she told me about everything, how the guys aproach her, how stupid is some of her friends that told her he loves her, how he were trying to make her jelaous like telling her he has 2-3 girls. Few months back she was asking with whom i was wrttien in my fb, she was atracted by me and yes - i lose my chanses here, maybe, becouse she had told me that she feels only friendship into me. Very often i was buying the coffees, the diners, tickets for the cinema and drinks at the club. She knew the pass for my phone and take the selfies, send it to her profile. We had hang out really often last year, but non of the feelings i expirience right now were happened then. From 3 months she has season work, and we can`t see each other. She lost weight, became very very atractive like never before and the results - she has the atention of all guys arround, even from her boss. We were every day together, but now... She had a birthday 1 month ago and i gave her very expensive present and i told her that i like her. I think this is my fault. I saw something different - like disrespect me, don`t right to me to FB very often like before, seeing my text msg but didnt reply. She started to show me captured images from guys who are trying to seduce her, or sending me again and again photos of her, and waiting to told her how beautiful she is. She started to overreact and told me what to do, where to go with her and this wasn`t me. Few months ago i was hard as a rock but now i am like a gummy bear. When we hang out with my friends and her - now they are more interesting than me.
Everytime we go out she is picking my phone/its better than hers/ and start making selfies, of her, of both of us.
So there is one thing - maybe go no-contact her, but there is feeling deep inside me that tells me - wait a minute dude, what would happen if you don`t write her so often, ignore her for a while, but she is ok with that and maybe she will forget how cool was with you 2-3 months ago. Maybe she will break of a habit
that she was feeling good me with, and i will be forgotten. Everytime when i read everything about pick up and etc. my mind tells me - OK go man, but my heart says - no, WHAT IF....
So this is my biggest fear - i stop talking to her she will forgot me and thats all. I will be only just an ordinary friend.
So please guys just be polite and told me what to do. I am not sure to ignore her and etc would work, becouse she is very very very proud. We chat really often in FB, but since yesterday we have texted only few times - 1st she and then me.
Maybe if i change my self, my physical atraction, mind and etc it will work? - I don`t know.
I am sorry for the long post but i really want her. Tell me step by step what to do.
Thanks

your biggest fear is losing her but at the same time you are wasting your time and your money on her so you're already an ordinary friend. You aren't fucking her. other guys are definitely balls deep in that slim pussy and every weekend she probably has a 7 inches right in there while you are at home planning how to win her over.

And I am not being polite because you need to hear what you need to hear. She is probably sucking off her boss too. He is exploding in her mouth. Trust me. She likes it too.


Tell you what. This one's free. Contact her less. Trust me. If you really want her you have to be willing to lose her. She will be in contact with you. That's how "friends work" right ? She will say hey where you been blah blah when she is really bored but hopefully during that time you have been working on yourself and talking to other women. Maybe your mind will change by then. You don't convince anyone to like you. It just happens. No one on this forum is going to give you a war strategy for one girl. I certainly won't. It's a waste of time. And please don't allow this thread to go on for 10 pages and you still don't get it. Thats what that other thread is for.


If you want to live the life that the Moose poster lives. Then I guess this will be my last post on this one.

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Well i just wanted one last push, thats all.
Seeing me in different light, seeing one new me.... by this time i will read all articles here.
I want her, but now i am devalued, really, really devalued.
When she is bored, she is texting me and thats all i think.
There are so many ? like what to do when she send me a captured photo from the messanged with some guy who wants to bang her and she told me look how stupid is he or something like
...or sending me her photos to tell her how beautiful is she

You're an orbiter, man. Sorry, but the truth hurts. That "stupid" guy she is with is banging her silly while you're on these forums wondering where you went wrong and how to turn it back -- but the only way you can do that is to let her go and talk to other women. The more you chase her, the more she'll run. Chasing is something that women do -- the man initiates and leads the interaction, but the female is the one who chases. If you're lavishing her with expensive gifts, dinners, coffee, and movie tickets, then you're being needy. You're trying to buy her affection, which shows that you need to "buy" her because you have nothing worth inherently to give. The fact is, you do have something to give -- all that affection you feel you could sub-communicate in a non-needy way, but that is not how you do it.

1. Stop buying her shit. NOW. She has not earned it.

2. Stop contacting her.

3. Show up somewhere where she is with a girl on your arm. This will help sexualize you in her eyes. Right now you are a tree to her....just there.


You are way, way deep in friend zone, dude. You are the boring nice guy who women roll their eyes about when they chat with their gf's.

If she texts you, ignore it. If she texts you again, answer this time and say you've been busy working and going on dates, and that'll you'll "be in touch" later.

You need to create mystery, scarcity, and act like a bad boy dick.

But most importantly, get your diet right (under 80 grams of carbs a day, etc0, start reading more, and start banging other girls. Women have this weird ability to sniff out guys who fuck a lot, and who get other women off in bed. It's fucking weird, but true.

by the time you do all of this, you'll probably find someone younger, hotter, and smarter, and you WILL NOT care about this girl, haha.

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Guys, yes, i do wrong things and i know it. I want to change ... and i am really going with the gym well but i want her. The problem "the only one" can`t go off my mind.
Ok, she text me - ignore it, but if she doesn`t text me anymore ... what we do?
Whats next? i`ve told u she is very proud....

i just want to get the heck out of this thing and get valued once again....

We already told you what to do next. But some people never learn -- some people need to fall to learn.

If you don't want to be in the friend zone with this girl, stop treating her like a friend.

Keep trying to meet and get to know other women. Before you know it, you'll meet one you really like, and you'll pretty much forget the first one.

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You can't "escape the friendzone". You can't unbreak a glass. You can't unhear words.

The ironic thing about improving your life and "have her want you" is that it must be genuine. You actually have to move on. You actually have to not give a fuck about her anymore and you actually have to improve.
And the irony is, by the time you get there, you will have found someone better.

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Hey guys and thank you.....
I know that i am a kinda lame. i read your comments many times and i know you are right.
Maybe the whole that thing is loosing my time and everything.
If i knew all these things before i wouldn`t be in FZ right now - but i`ve made many mistakes to become a MAN she respected - to the BOY she does not.
Time ago i was the man who she liked, seeking my advices, likes all my photos and comments in FB and i didn`t worry how to talk to her, i was really relaxed, didn`t compliment her ( so much ), she asked me for a coffee every time, i was telling her NO, and i wasn`t affraid, i wasn`t submissive to her.
And when she get changed, when she become more desirable from others, when she got work and we couldn`t see very often, when i told her - i like you and did nothing, when i started to telling her she is very beautiful, start seeking her all the time, became so needy, start comment and like everything she post in FB - she devalued me, really, really bad. Now she even doesn`t like any of my photos in FB, or comment them like before.
I know this is my biggest fail. And i will try to overcome everything i did to become her "girl friend". I know there isn`t any universal formula about escaping FZ. But i do really like her ... and i was seeking your advices. I`ve told you already - my mind tells me - lets go man, but my heart says - WTF wait wait if you do that how she will react?
I read many articles and now I changed my life - i started diet plan, go to gym, loose weight (i do this for me!). I do this becouse i believe if i change, entirely, not only my looking but my consciousness, worldview, and become my older me (like i was before) but better version (updated ) MAYBE she will find that as a atractive. MAYBE she will see my new ME as atractive. MAYBE it`s time if we hang out with friends and her, i should try to ignore her, comunicate with the other women.
The problem is - can i start acting like a real MAN, becouse while i care what is she thinking, what is she saying, i am always worried if i ignore her - she wont talk to me anymore or even want to see me.
SO, guys, i am really greatful for helping me, and i apriciate posting here. I just want your help to improve my relations with her. We haven`t see each other since last saturday. I am making a party after 7 days and i invited her. She will come i hope but there is one feeling left in me - does she will really come? If she doesn`t come what means this?!? Tell me through these days what to do, except the gym, to Hey guys and thank you.....
I know that i am a kinda lame. i read your comments many times and i know you are right.
Maybe the whole that thing is loosing my time and everything.
If i knew all these things before i wouldn`t be in FZ right now - but i`ve made many mistakes to become a MAN she respected - to the BOY she does not.
Time ago i was the man who she liked, seeking my advices, likes all my photos and comments in FB and i didn`t worry how to talk to her, i was really relaxed, didn`t compliment her ( so much ), she asked me for a coffee every time, i was telling her NO, and i wasn`t affraid, i wasn`t submissive to her.
And when she get changed, when she become more desirable from others, when she got work and we couldn`t see very often, when i told her - i like you and did nothing, when i started to telling her she is very beautiful, start seeking her all the time, became so needy, start comment and like everything she post in FB - she devalued me, really, really bad. Now she even doesn`t like any of my photos in FB, or comment them like before.
I know this is my biggest fail. And i will try to overcome everything i did to become her "girl friend". I know there isn`t any universal formula about escaping FZ. But i do really like her ... and i was seeking your advices. I`ve told you already - my mind tells me - lets go man, but my heart says - WTF wait wait if you do that how she will react?
I read many articles and now I changed my life - i started diet plan, go to gym, loose weight (i do this for me!). I do this becouse i believe if i change, entirely, not only my looking but my consciousness, worldview, and become my older me (like i was before) but better version (updated ) MAYBE she will find that as a atractive. MAYBE she will see my new ME as atractive. MAYBE it`s time if we hang out with friends and her, i should try to ignore her, comunicate with the other women.
The problem is - can i start acting like a real MAN, becouse while i care what is she thinking, what is she saying, i am always worried if i ignore her - she wont talk to me anymore or even want to see me.
SO, guys, i am really greatful for helping me, and i apriciate posting here. I just want your help to improve my relations with her. We haven`t see each other since last saturday. I am making a party after 7 days and i invited her. She will come i hope but there is one feeling left in me - does she will really come? If she doesn`t come what means this?!? Tell me through these days what to be better version of me when i see her.
Thanks and have a great day or night

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Guys..

Pick up isn't about changing girl's minds. It is about finding the ones that are into you and not fuck it up with beta behaviour.

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME WITH UNINTERESTED WOMEN

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Why can't some guys hear written words, printed to read over and over right in front of their face. Attraction should not cause suffocation and death. Your not just needy, your wanty can't havey.

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Yup.

And what's funny is that sometimes, if you ignore the girl long enough, she come back and you get to fuck her if you so choose.

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I say fuck her dude. I knew a guy who was just like you, loserish kind of guy. Guys said everything, I would take an extra step and flush her number delete her Facebook. Remove her from your life and keep going in the gym.

And never buy girls expensive shit they don't deserve.

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