All I see from your end is sugar coating and window dressing. The question is: How many pussies (other than your wife's) have you stuck your cock in during the past 12 months?

And Jesus Fucking Christ. If you signed up here to spread your wife's "very interesting inside scoop about other females" (these are not prairie voles, right?), then you're FUCKING CLUELESS with women.

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No, that’s not the question. Only in your own pathetic little world is the value of someone’s advice or soundness of their reasoning anchored to “how many pussies they’ve stuck their cock inside of in the last 12 months.” As far as I can tell, the guys who are the most natural with attracting and keeping women don’t obsess over how many pussies they stick their penis into. And that was my experience, too, pal. I started taking care of myself, made sure I was getting ahead in life – and guess what, the female attention came naturally. The options became rather obvious, and I was never even actively looking. I’m totally lost, are you suggesting this forum is only about sticking penises in women? Or actually getting better with women, in general?
The world doesn’t revolve around your definitions of “clued in” or “clued out.” I signed up to see what the PUA community was up to years after I was part of it. I can share a lot of experiences, including countless interactions I’ve had with women which could have easily ended up as sex, dates and everything in between, even while I have been married. Oh, and the stuff girls talk about when guys aren’t around is priceless. I know that in PUA-land it’s popular to discount everything women say 100%, but that kind of myopic thinking of pretty pathetic. It is thinly veiled misogyny.

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That's like saying you can get good at boxing without sparring in the ring or be great at swimming without swimming in the water. Likewise, you are saying that to catch fishes, ask a fish instead of asking the fisherman.

It doesn't take rocket science. To get good with younger women, sarge younger women everyday and/or ask the guys who are f-closing younger women on the regular.

Based on the majority of your posts that I've read, it's blatantly obvious that you signed up in this forum to put down the PUA community. You call us names and label us with all kinds of insults like immature, ego-stroking, idiots, whiny curmudgeon, delusional, misogynists, and so on. If you don't want to help people around here who need help, spread your hatred elsewhere.

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To the point of knowing which of my friends is more attractive...its not "universal attractiveness"...I LIVE IN AN AREA. I never said I know which one of my friends is more attractive around the world. Look man, I dont know if you're just clueless or in denial. Whatever city you're in, there are chicks who will get the most attention in the room consistently. If a girl getting hit on (you wanted a defintion of that so I'll use approached, offered drinks, complimented on their beauty) 7 times in a night is not normal to you, then you're not with these chicks. I'm not making some radical theoritical point, in fact its crazy to act like all chicks who arent deformed get the same male attention. Its crazy to act like its untrue that some chicks get some glances and approaches, and other chicks turn heads. And many times I dont find myself attracted to the chick getting the most attention at the bar, but I cant lie and pretend like there is a noticeable difference in the attention she is getting. Its like when I said I can judge which friend is better looking if I had to set them up with a chick. It just is what it is.

i dont really know how to put it, but some people are more * attractive than others.

you could complicate it as much as you want

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Human attraction/interaction isn’t sport (learn the moves and repeat for practice) and fish can’t talk. Those analogies are horrible. There's far more variables for human attraction/interaction. Come on!!
There are numerous threads with small questions where I pitched in, about the same as everyone else. I even wrote “bartm”, an apparent troll, a mini essay on getting in shape. I’ll have to recycle that thing for future members who ask the same question. Helping out on specific situations isn’t the only thing I’m interested in. I’m interested in discussing various attraction related topics. I’m also not going to be hesitant to call out bullshit of any kind that I find – whether it’s PUA-of-old bullshit “theories,” wishful thinking and conjecture or just plain illogical advice.
We’re talking about the Western world here man, not Saudia Arabia or Guyana, come on!
There are chicks who will get more attention depending on the situation, regardless of city, as long as we’re still in Western civilization. Consistently? That’s a stretch based on your experience, which can be (and probably is) full of various biases. Regardless of how many times you observed some select number of girls, it’s still a rather small amount of information in the grand scheme of things. In particular, you have no reference point (for example, is 7 drinks offered/night average? Below average? Above?) No way to know, but you come to that conclusion based on a handful of these experiences. I mean seriously, other things you left out regarding this experience: was she alone? This was one girl you knew? How consistent was this? Did you actually count the guys? (Have my doubts on the latter). The only situation I buy this happening is a partially empty dance club where there’s a SOLO girl there. She’ll get hounded for sure – your “attention overkill.” Of course, girls almost never go out solo – all couples and/or with female friends (in my experience, thank you very much).
Once the girls are fit, have nice faces, it’s a nightlife venue and they are “dressed to impress” – you can bet there’s going to be some inconsistency between who gets hit on and who doesn’t on things which are purely situational and/or random. I can only assume that’s what you’re referring to, since you keep mentioning drinks. Once again, you’re using a handful of situations, where some drunk dudes are bugging the hell out of a pretty girl to gauge the attention she gets on a daily basis? That’s ridiculous, man. And regarding the guy friend stuff, unless it’s obvious (and maybe it is, for your male friend circle), you’re just full of crap and doing them a disservice.

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Bad call. There's not one post in this thread where I called anyone names. I did list though the negative labels and name calling that a poster here did several times.

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Yes, and hence in the western world there are facial features and body types that are seen as more attractive. Therefore girls who have a bit of them will be seen as attractive. Girls who have a lot of them will be seen as highly attractive. So you cant claim that the western world doesnt prize certain features and girls dont have them to different degrees. So you're just adding to the point

Wait wait wait. NOW it's the western world for you. Ive been the one to reference experiences in U.S cities, youve referenced US and south east asia. Now, you're falling back like you've been talking abt the western world? Like being the western world, doesnt make it more likely that standards of attractiveness are there? Lol, you shouldve just stuck with your "universal" talk and South east Asia stuff. Cause now you're acting like Western civilization has all these varied forms of beauty.

Lol again. No I dont count how many times a chick gets attention. And you keep saying I'm using a handful of situations.

Dude. Lol. The game blew your mind in 2008. Youve been married for 8 years. I may not count how many times a hot chick gets hit on at the bar or throughout her day to know its more than 7, but I can do simple math. You have no experience with dating or highly attractive women, unless I dunno, you got good for 6 months and got married. And I dont mean to call you out, but you're talking about who is using a handful of examples, when youve admitted you cant have ANY experience with dating. Unless we're in 2036 or something and I did the math wrong. How many examples can YOU be pulling from? Im not a guy who likes to throw out stats, but come on man... Since you assume I count, I dont but I assume you do then. Cool. 2008+8=2016.

Well, maybe in the past 8 years you've noticed stuff at the bar. So maybe you havent dated many chicks, let alone attractive ones, but maybe you look at whats going on in the bar. Ok. Is the number of attractive chicks youve scoped out more than Ive dated. Nah. Ok, maybe your wife's friends talk and let you in on secrets. Cool. Is your wife's and yours social circle more than the number of chick's Ive dated and known? Nah. See, its not tough to beat your references because math doesnt lie. And I can safely say I meet, date, fuck, hang with more new chicks in a year, than you and your wife do. And thats nothing bad with you...I'm actually glad you found someone. But you coming in here, talking about who is using a "handful" of examples, like you could possibly have more than 5 of your wife's friends dishing dirt. See, your comment was silly. You're married man. Which is great. But how are you gonna tell a single guy that you would meet and interact with more women than he does to get more reference points on what happens to chicks? To have more examples than I do, you'd have to be meeting a TON of women and getting close to them while married. Are you? Cause if the game blew you away 8 years ago, and youve been married 8 years, where are these reference points coming from? Especially when you throw them up against a single guy?

See, I didnt want to break up down on that level, but i'd never get married without getting in "the game" then tell Dragula if he's talking abt women that he's talking about a handful of women like I'm still meeting or ever did meet women. Maybe if I did meet a lot of women before marriage, not when I literally got the "Game" as a wedding gift. Lol. I dunno, maybe you ARE looking around the bar that much and you're meeting new women weekly.

To finish you off, yes in Western civilization certain features are regarded as being beautiful. And chicks who have these features get more attention. I dont agree with the scale you put up with the pictures, but lets be real: most of the chicks who are 7's on there are not going to get the same level of attention as most of the 9's. Not at the bar, at work, the gym or school. And mst of the 7's would admit that they arent as attractive as most of the 9's.

I think what your issue is, is you havent experienced a really "beautiful" woman, so you're in some kind of denial. I cant pretend like certain chicks Ive dated get the same looks consistently as other chicks. Whether at the bar, at the mall, or at the beach. I cant pretend that certain chicks dont get more guys and women saying something to them about their beauty than other chicks. And if your reference point, ie your wife and her friends dont bring those stories back, or get that attention and compliments, as youve said thats unheard of, then those are your reference points. Maybe they rarely get hit on. If you dont see that with other women at the bar, then damn...I dont know a bar in the world where hot chicks dont walk in and get hit on under 7 times for the night. Heck, Ive known chicks who get more than that at church. But that doesnt mean it doesnt happen. And if you just have lived in places where guys dont gawk or hit on chicks, then thats not the norm.

I have no idea what you’re talking about? I have been talking about the Western world regarding attraction. In terms of my experience (places I’ve lived or spent an extensive amount of time) – that includes Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia. These places were modern (large cities: Singapore, Moscow, Kiev, Delhi, etc.), though, therefore Western culture leaning. I was still referring to mostly Western culture. OK – so you don’t really keep track, and the numbers were kinda-sorta-made up. Got it.
Yeah totally, only you date girls that are attractive… rated by your personal ingenious system which everyone subscribes to. Please remove your head from your posterior.
I’m going to assume you misspoke, because you definitely haven’t dated more women than I’ve “scoped” (observed) – in the last 1 year, 8 or 12 years. If you want to do math, let’s LOWBALL my numbers: 2 venues per night, 2 nights per week, 10 girls per venue observed, 50 weeks / year = 2,000 observations per year? Reading again, I don’t think you misspoke. I don’t think you thought this through even one bit. What are you? 25? 35? Dating for 10 years? 15? Dating 133 to 200 chicks per year? Yeah, right. Is this your full time job? And that’s just 1 year of “scoping.”
I (or we) don’t fuck other chicks, we’re not swingers. We definitely meet see and or meet plenty of women. Married people don’t disappear to some married people cave, man. Again, your math is completely failing you, see my lowballed example above of 1 year of “going out” and “observing.”
My “handful of examples” point directly references whatever few situations you gave when some girls were absolutely hounded by guys. I’ve rarely seen this happen, and it usually has as much to do with the situation and the girl’s behavior as her looks. Again, I don’t have to be single to see this. I don’t need to be talking to the girl or even be right next to her. I can watch who’s with who when I walk into a room, and what happens after that. Right? I still haven’t heard about where you even live to find these horndogs that constantly ogle over these unicorn-like women. Apparently, Boston, NYC, Singapore, Moscow, Kiev, Delhi are full of below average women… (my most visited metropolises). Hell, in fucking Club Space in Miami girls didn’t get hounded at the 2015 NYE party with Markus Schulz going Open-to-Close during the afterhours. The crowd thinned out and it was perfect for some horny boys to find someone to take home. I think I recall seeing ONE guy hitting on a girl. And she was completely wasted. Guess all the Miami girls are mostly average and below, too?


Once I have a good drink in hand, whether I’m alone or with my wife, I/we can still do some people watching, right? We’re not going to be in some deep, intimate, romantic conversation the whole night…
I posted that pic for *ridiculing* purposes, I don’t agree with it at all. To my eyes, something happened after the 5 mark. Girls who were 6,7,8,9 were all subjectively placed in my eyes (many of them). I could have swapped some 6’s and 9’s there easily.
See, here you go again with the 7’s and 9’s. What’s a 7? What’s a 9? Who decides that? Did 1000 randomly selected men rate these women from an in-person observation (no best-angle photo crap)? If a 9 rating is an arithmetic mean or median of scores, that means almost all men rated her an 8,9,10. Do you understand basic math (if a consensus rating is what you’re assuming with the number system). Good luck finding a girl who’s going to be universally 8,9,10 (extremely above average to perfect) to a randomly selected sample of men. Are these numbers broken up into deciles? 10% of people are 10s, 10% are 9s, etc. Or are we using a bell curve since most people are about average looking? Neo, you OBVIOUSLY haven’t thought about this stuff. Or anyone else in the guy community at large who uses these numbers to try and suggest something objective and “rankable” (or why use numbers?)


It seems so, Neo. Only where you live do these unicorn-like women exist. Get real, man.
Though I think you’re spinning quite the tale here, I have no doubt there’s some truth to it. I’m not expecting some scientific report from you, for your personal experiences, but what you’re providing is pretty wishy-washy and full of hyperbole. There’s also issues left out such as: do the most attractive girls get approached less because most guys are too afraid to approach? There was that theory I saw floating around PUA land ages ago. Girls get hit on more or less depending on the situation (solo/group, location, how much alcohol, etc.) and for their behavior, not just their looks. This is particularly true for all nightlife venues. Too many variables you’ve left out to come to any conclusion. In other words, you think A causes Z but really B causes Z.

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What the hell!?! This shit is just going in circles and there is absolutely no point unless the point is to see how many days it is to argue about something that doesn't matter at all.

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Haha Auto...I cant respond to most of what you wrote because see how you picked when I said the word "scoped" and focused on that instead of the main and repeating point of getting close to these women? Lol, youre style is frustrating because instead of discussing your argument, you MAKE an argument from nitpicks. I say chicks get approached more than 7 times, you say have I counted, I say no, cause I'm not a psycho counting that shit, you're like well its made up. Like how the hell could I be saying Ive dated more girls that you've SEEN...You know what I meant man, and I stressed I meant getting close to them... come on.

I reference the scale you posted, you then say I'm labelling 9's and 7's. Lol. The chicks have that next to them in the picture. It was a reference. You keep using words like universal and objective, and Im scratching my head cause Ive never said that anything was universal or objective. I cant argue most of what you wrote, because you're arguing things I never said. If I were to argue as you do, I'd ask you well how many times have you scoped women exactly? Oh, you didnt count..its made up. How far away were you from them? Thats just a handful. Were you wearing contacts? If you are going to clubs and no one is getting hit on, I hear that and it sounds crazy.

Jeez man. No one, not even in this thread said it was objective. Ive never seen anyone seriously say X girl is a 10 as if it were law. Ive never seen anyone say ANY woman is a 10, (Neo there you go again using rankings) and will be seen as such everywhere. So who are you talking in the community about using these numbers to say something is set in stone? As far as dogma, I remember even Mystery saying his 10 was a certain type, never saying this chick or type of chick will be universally a 10. What the fuck are you talking abt?

I said it before...if I say this chick Im dating is a 10, it just means to me she's perfect in terms of looks. TO ME and she gets alot of attention. Is there some untruth in that? Is she NOT perfect to me, and does NOT get alot of attention? Are you type of guy who if I said my place is a 10, you'd argue who made that law? My 10 could be a 5 for you. Its a subjective, for the millionth time, rating system. Movies are rated. Products are rated. All those ratings do is tell you what other's opinions are. But please make up your mind. Is your issue that its arbitrary and subjective or rigid and objective? Because it is OPENLY subjective, and no one says its not. ONE guy made a collage of how he ranks some women on a scale of 1-10. And you're asking whats a 7 or a 9? A 9 is higher than a 7. That simple. Its one guys opinion. 5 are the girls he considers average. 6 are the girls he considers higher than that. There isnt going to be some analysis on what a 7 chick is same way youll find movie reviewers give 7's to different movies. Whats a 7? its a better than average THING. Whats a 9? Its an almost perfect thing. BOTH in someone's OPINION. In PU, to answr your question, if a guy says he opened a 3 set with a 8, 7 and a 4..he's just saying he opened a group of girls, one who found very attractive, one he found slightly less attractive and one he found below average. He didnt drop some commandment down that these numbers mean anything beyond his opinion and the situation. Do you not understand how ratings work? Do you think they are EVER objective?

Lol true. But ive given up on Moose and bart's trolling so auto is my frustration this week

Something smells fishy. We have a guy accusing Neo of making universal claims and yet claims to know the nightclub scene in Southeast Asia (an area with more than a billion people and several megalopolises), Eastern Europe, a certain region in the United States, and then the Western World.

He also claims to be an investment analyst handling research for a portfolio of investments and at the same time he claims to travel to many parts of the world for the past 8 years at the very least as a DJ so he claims that his observations on women on the dancefloor is actually better than some of us who actually dance on the dancefloor and pick up women there.

I'm just stating an observation here because I have never met an investment analyst who also works as a DJ and travels around the world to play technomusic and such in discotechques.

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Nice to see you calmed down, but your attention to detail is killing you, like neo

Look at what I said:

“I >>**used to DJ the stuff years ago**<< in clubs, lounges and on the radio. I’m always down to see a good DJ spin a quality set when they visit Boston.”

“used to … years ago” … you see that?

It was back in New Delhi, India where I grew up. It wasn’t a career – more of a passion. I still collect music (including vinyl) and mix music. I suppose I’ve got a pretty unique “resume.”

And my point wasn’t that I had a better view than "you guys" on the floor, not at all – it was the fact that I actually love going out to clubs and love the music – responding against the baseless accusations (typical cheap-shots) of “bro bro do you even go out and see women?”

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Ah yeah, heard the saying “the devil is in the details?” Once you look closely at something, you see the cracks and other bullshit.
What I pointed out was that things you claimed to understand were either too subjective to judge accurately or lacking reference points. I asked for something more objective and didn’t get it (and didn’t really expect to). Not sure what the confusion is. And people are getting hit on, just not with the grossly exaggerated rate that PUA folks and you claim women get hit on.







Her being your 10? Sure, makes sense, I’m sure you’re benefiting yourself greatly rating your women in your head…
Her getting a lot of attention? Again, that’s where you lack a reference point to really know, except your handful of references (other girls you dated) – I suppose what’s the point of thinking about it? What are you going to conclude? There’s nothing to get out of it. You think one girl is getting hit on “a lot” but really it’s just average or slightly above average for the actual population of girls out there, but nothing extreme. Maybe some girls you dated actually got hit on below average. Who knows? Without a reference point, it’s your guess, and your odds of being right aren’t very high. And there’s no way to find a reference point, it’s an impossible task to know the average number of times a woman gets hit on in some situation (funny enough, there’s also the situational variables – pretty messy topic).
My issue is some things are so subjective/arbitrary that they are not worth discussing or thinking about, in particular for making some conclusion about how human interactions go or should go. That includes rating women with numbers which are purely subjective – what’s the point? To express how big of a hard on she gives you? When do they get really attractive? 7? 9? What’s the practical difference between a 7 and 9? Who decides that? If it’s subjective, what’s the guy reading your numbers going to get out of it? I’m actually chuckling as I type this – the system is that idiotic.
Your explanation makes sense – but other people don’t necessarily interpret it that way. I also see these things used in ways which make no sense at all. It’s not you, necessarily; it’s other PU community people. He could just as easily have said “I opened a set with two really attractive girls and one that wasn’t my type.” Did he really need to specify the difference between the two attractive ones? Does it matter? Did he even think about it much? I’ll repeat, your specific example makes sense, but this stuff is used in ways which are beyond retarded and when two people interpret the system differently, it’s worthless. The latter point is particularly important, since it always applies.

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