The Advanced Series: Psychological Ventriloquism



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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 3:16 am 
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What is ventriloqusim? What do you imagine when you picture it in your mind? If you are like most you imagine a man on a stage with a talking dummy. The performer is known as a ventriloquest because he is "throwing" his voice into the dummy seemingly making it talk.

What if you could "throw" your thoughts into another person's head? I call this Psychological Ventriloquism.

Psychological Ventriloquism : The act of implanting your thoughts, ideas, and suggestions into another persons mind in a subtle manner.

You may be wondering why you cant simply just say what your idea is and sometimes you can. A blunt truth, however, is often people resist unwanted attempts to be persuaded even if you are trying to help him.

This is why therapist rarely come right out and tell you whats wrong but rather they implant thoughts and ideas in your head that leads you to the answer. People will often doubt what they are told, but they will rarely doubt what they conclude themselves.

This is why Psychological Ventriloquism (PV) is not only an important skill in pick-up but also an important skill for life in general. If you want your ideas and suggestions to be strongly considered (and most people do) then its wise to make others think your idea is really theirs. You must lead their mind to the answer.

While there are many ways to go about implanting your thoughts into others there is one way in particular that I find works well: Subtle Insinuation.

Subtle Insinuation is done by using gestures, having the right look, and using vague statements at the right time that will get a persons mind to think about something that will lead them to your idea. Sound complicated? Here is an example:

One night I was in a bar when I see a most interesting woman. Long story short I ended up over by her and struck up a conversation. I was dressed very edgy in a way that gives off a sexual vibe (having the right look) something like a rock star might wear but just slightly toned down.

As we talked I dropped a subtle hint that I was staying alone by mentioning my room mate who was out of town (vague statement). The longer we talked the more intense eye contact I would give her thus increasing the sexual tension (gesture).

Over the course of the 45 or so minutes we talked I continued to drop more vague statements that got her thinking about sex. That combined with the edgy look and eye contact was enough to make her horny. After the 45 minutes when I invited her back to my place for an "innocent glass of wine" she accepeted likely knowing what was going to happen in spite of me never talking about having sex or overtly hitting on her.

This is how you get a woman turned on and horny without ever seemingly escalating or hitting on her.

This is slightly more advanced stuff to be used by men who are already comfortable openly hitting on women and flirting with them overtly. That stuff works well and creates sexual tension. Once, however, you become good at the overt you can switch to the subtle and create more sexual tension than you ever imagined.

By using PV, and more specifically, SI, the sexual tension will shoot through the roof.

With some imagination you will find that this doesn't only work for pick-up but can work for every other area of your life as well.

This is the first part of a new series I'll be starting called The Advanced Series aimed towards men with a solid grasp of the basics already. These techniques aren't "needed" but they add flair and elegance. They will often make the emotions a woman feels towards you stronger as well. Stay tuned for the next part.


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Someone in the chatroom brought up a good point relating to this.

Subtle Innsuation is often used by women to lead men along. They drop subtle and vague hints that makes the man believe he has a chance without her ever coming out and saying that. Look around and you will see how well women use this to control men and to get them to "orbit" around them.

Reversed we can use this tactic the same way. It drives women just as wild as it does men.


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Good post.

I'd prefer to see more topics like this being discussed on the forum other than "wahhhh I can't get any girls, I feel so depressed, somebody give me all the answers, wahhh".


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Good post.

I'd prefer to see more topics like this being discussed on the forum other than "wahhhh I can't get any girls, I feel so depressed, somebody give me all the answers, wahhh".
Thank you. I'd write them more often but no one reads them anymore.

The forum is mostly divided up into three kinds of people:

1) People who come here to ask questions about "one special girl"

2) People who want to read a maximum of one paragraph that explains to them some "super secret ninja seducer technique of the gods!"

3) Marketers who have stuff to sell.

None of those three groups have interest in my articles.

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You'd think 'the pick up and seduction community' would attract more guys who actually wanted to live the kind of lifestyle that the name alludes to.

However. I think I get your concept pretty well. I've always done a similar thing but never really put a name to it. I guess psychological ventriloquism is a good way to describe it haha.

Sometimes when I'm with a girl or even a group of girls, I will use all of my mannerisms and sub communications with a few words that I'm saying to get them to think what I want them to think. For example I might be chilling with a group of girls and they will jokingly tease me about being a player because I'm usually very flirty when I'm around them. They might say something like "so how many girls have you been with" and without actually answering the question I'll give them the idea that it's a lot and that they're right, I am a player. I might do this by actually playing myself down and saying "Hmm, not that many to be honest" but with a smirk on my face and then I'll start to laugh and they'll interpret as "Yeah, this guys a fucking player, and he's also a confident and cheeky one with a sense of humor too. Which in turn creates more attraction because I haven't actually voiced it, they just got the idea that I am.

As you've said this sort of stuff can be used for implanting the idea of going home with you and fucking into her mind, aswell as a lot of other things that can be beneficial to your seduction. I'd say it comes across as very smooth when done properly, and girls absolutely love it.

If that is the sort of shit you are on about.


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Hey I read it, I thought it was interesting, I don't fit into any of the three categories either.

I think it is all good stuff, and it should be tested. Yeah subtlety is important but as a bloke I reckon its better to have a massively overt game, at the end of the day you want her to be looking at you, wanting, wishing and desiring and begging for those non verbal cues, the longer you can keep from giving them the longer you don't give the game away. And getting her into bed is just the start, then she got to really enjoy it, no hang ups no frustrations just that thing of her and your thoughts together, you want her thoughts in your head too innit. Better. Dangerous but better. And if anyone tells you women aint dangerous they are - they go out of control if you make em fall in love with you.

Anyone fancy doing some, well I dunno what you'd call it cos I'm new here and don't know the etiquette. If I asked if anyone fancied trying out some tactics out as a serious research experiment what would people say? Serious, use a controlled series of questions to determine responses over a forum, control the number of targets, forum used, questions asked to determine responses. Collect the responses and data, see what we have. If anyone here is well educated (and it looks like a pretty big forum) and fancies co-writing/wingmanning been part of a research group lets have a chat!


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I don't get the technique here...I mean, isn't this just PV just seeding? I don't think the example works as ventriloquism or implanting suggestion, because YOU had to openly suggest lets get some wine. Reading it, I thought SHE would have suggested it, if this was evidence that a thought was being implanted. Are you trying to encompass other techniques ie intense eye contact, flirting etc into an umbrella technique (PV)? Maybe another example is needed because I cant see what the implanted suggestions were beyond a regular pickup.


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isn't this like NLP or am I off ?

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I don't get the technique here...I mean, isn't this just PV just seeding? I don't think the example works as ventriloquism or implanting suggestion, because YOU had to openly suggest lets get some wine. Reading it, I thought SHE would have suggested it, if this was evidence that a thought was being implanted. Are you trying to encompass other techniques ie intense eye contact, flirting etc into an umbrella technique (PV)? Maybe another example is needed because I cant see what the implanted suggestions were beyond a regular pickup.
My goal was to get her to think about having sex with me. Thats all.

There are many ways to do it but after ten years you tend to want to find unique and interesting ways to accomplish the mundane.

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Someone in the chatroom brought up a good point relating to this.

Subtle Innsuation is often used by women to lead men along. They drop subtle and vague hints that makes the man believe he has a chance without her ever coming out and saying that. Look around and you will see how well women use this to control men and to get them to "orbit" around them.

Reversed we can use this tactic the same way. It drives women just as wild as it does men.
i was thinking the exact same as i was reading this. and it is true that women use this technique all the time and that's who i learned it from. i've also noticed that some managers use this technique to motivate employees as well. so you're right when you say it can be used in general life situations as well.

i am at a point in my game where i can number close almost any girl that i want no matter the attraction scale. what im working on is speed seduction and this PV technique is one method that can aid in helping speed up the seduction process. Keep up the good writing, i'm looking forward to more of the advanced series


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