Now you’re playing coy? That’s cute.
That kind of comment just reeks of immaturity and ego-stroking, but that doesn’t surprise me. What’s worse is you now seem to think you’ve figured out the broad population of women based on a handful of experiences you’ve alluded to. And don’t even try to deny it. This is almost as bad as the guys that went through a couple crappy relationships with women and then receded into the Internet cesspool known as the “Manosphere/MGTOW/etc.” because a few or even handful of examples represents the whole population.

But then you drop these “gems”, which are completely baseless and progressively got worse and worse:
Are they measuring it somehow? Keeping a diary? Using an attraction Geiger counter? Come on… They might know they are not hideous, but won’t really know where they stand in the grand scheme of things, unless they are into deluding themselves. One day they’ll feel great, next day some ‘cute guy’ a girl likes cancels their date and she feels insecure and shitty. Way. Too. Many. Variables.

Does she? How? You keep making claims with nothing to back them up.
This is the most preposterous claim of all yet – I’m shaking my head in disbelief here.
How does she judge that her eyes are nicer (assuming her friend isn’t cross-eyed, one-eyed or mutilated somehow – the extremes… remember?)? That’s just beyond preposterous.
How does she tell that her face is nicer? (Obvious issues and extremes excluded, again!)? Is there an iPhone “app” for that? Hah…
Sure, if her friend is overweight and obviously unfit – that’s easy.
If not, then how could she judge? No obvious way to do it, so don’t make things up.
Again, only if it’s *blatantly* obvious. Otherwise, it’s you making things up. Pure conjecture.



You obviously don’t appreciate how much of an impact subjectivity has in this case. And the implications of this on interactions between people. That’s the whole crux of the issue. You are full of hubris when it comes to your ability to judge other peoples’ opinion of other people. Personally, I’m not surprised here either.
And the second part of that statement is as preposterous as the “eye” comment. Maybe worse.
Your analogy couldn’t be more ridiculous – human beings and movies? Are you kidding?

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Haha, look man, Im not playing this game where you dodge points. I'm saying straight up, girls can judge how attractive they are in relation to other women. You keep acting like a girl doesnt know the difference between her having nicer boobs than her friend, or her having a prettier face an so on. Its not a tough pt to grasp. You can look at your male friends and judge, who you're more attractive than.


Lol. You are really saying a girl cant tell whether her body is better than another chick unless the other chick is overweight. And some shit abt are they keeping a diary? I said they have eyes, say definitively "they cant judge because xyz" No more of this dodging and talk abt diaries as if extreme shit makes a point for you. If you say a woman cant tell whether her body is nicer than another chick (ie would get more male attention) say why she cant tell. And when I apply my points to other things besides PU, you say they are different. Lol. You're the same guy who told me life is more than a bar or club, so when I go outside of that, you say "well there's a difference...its not the same." There aint no diary that women keep that says they like dominant men. But the majority do. If all of our points on this forum or in general had to be backed on girl's keeping diaries of it, what points could we make? You're just dodging and falling back on well if its not in some published study, its wrong.

How did this go from age difference to looks?

Mind your own business, OP.

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I keep pointing out that your vague statements and claims have not been substantiated by any explanation on your end. And I continue to receive no explanation – because your claims are still baseless and often completely preposterous. The criteria for a ‘nice face’ varies for sure. There are NO standards. Nice boobs? Again, this would have to be obvious differences, in particular if these are publicly noticeable. Where I’m from, women walk around dressed up… And regarding male friends? You know, again, I’m not full of hubris and don’t have my head stuck up my ass… so unless one of my friends is **clearly** lacking something, my judgments are irrelevant.
You made these claims, so the burden of proof is on you.
I already pointed out why your claims make no sense before you even substantiated them, because they were so ridiculous.
The criteria for nice body varies. Some guys prefer more curvy, some prefer leaner. So how does a girl tell she’s “nicer” since there’s no clear-cut answer? What about two curvy girls? They both have thicker legs and big butts, plus decently sized boobs. One girl has a wider/rounder butt, other girls has slightly larger cup size. Again, how do you determine a “winner” here? You can’t. End of story.
I could barely understand the first part of that paragraph.
Regarding the second part, I completely understand that some things simply aren’t explored by ‘published’ studies. In that case, we resort to anecdotal evidence. That doesn’t mean that it will have any value for a broad audience, though. And that goes double when it’s completely unsubstantiated and regarding a topic that has no clear cut definitions of “good” and “bad” because it is extremely subjective. When it comes to dodging anything, it’s you who’s been dodging backing up ANY of your ridiculous claims. And as I’ve said, I’ve already pointed out just why they are ridiculous.
And regarding dominant men, studies, attraction and what not… Someone out there needs to release a book for dating/attraction/whatever that is based purely on the researched aspects of attraction, possibly also backed up by high quality surveys. That would be the only book or material that should be ‘required’ reading for anyone interested in attracting a member of the opposite sex.

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See, I cant debate you, because you still dodge. You think it's "hubris" to assess whether youre more attractive or are more likely to be seen as more attractive than your friend. I cant debate that kinda "act like no one can judge something" delusional thinking. I can look at my car and have a good idea of whether girls will find it more appealing than my friend's car. I can look at my place, and know whether more girls will think its nicer than my friend's place. My friend doesnt have to be living in a roach motel, for me to make an assessment. And it has nothing to do heads up asses.

As to the rest, I've already said that within a region, certain physical characteristics will be seen as more attractive in general. 2 cute girls are friends, they go out together, chick A can tell who gets more attention and compliments. Same way if you go out with male friends, you can tell who gets more female attention. Sometimes its a close race, in that case, it's close.

See I cant discuss a simple point with you because you want some statistical survey. You actually want a PU book to be based on empirical research. Everything here is based on people's experiences of what works and what doesnt. There is no statistical survey that says that girls wont like it if you send a bouquet to their job after a first date, but most guys here know thats a bad move. Sure, there will be girls who will love that. Most will not. Same way posters can have different styles but have a general consensus on what works and what doesnt, people can assess who gets or will get more attention between them and someone else. If you cant even judge whether you're more attractive than another guy physically unless he's damn near Golem, I cant argue that kind of reluctance to be honest and make a fair assessment.

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Your opinion will be in line with that of consensus only when things are OBVIOUS. The delusional thinking here is that you can judge yourself vs. your friend. Of course you cannot backup any of this non-sense you’re spewing. You haven’t even provided a list of criteria on which to judge by, from your end. Hah! That’s called dodging. I’ve pointed out the absurdity of your comments long before you even had a chance to back them up.
Are these gold-digger women you meet comparing sticker prices and excise tax bills? Horsepower? Import vs. export? That’s another hilarious one from you. Thanks for the laugh. Women don’t give a shit about your car. That’s “my experience.”
That’s because there’s more objectivity here regarding neighborhood (reputation), whether it has quality appliances, how clean it is, size etc. Things here can be far more obvious and less subjective. Again, don’t even try to make this into a “opposite gender attraction is like apartment comparison” … hahahaha! We don’t need another awful analogy.


So what’s your point here? Two cute girls will get about the same level of attention and therefore not really be in some pissing match about “who’s better looking” … right? In “my experience” the particularly unattractive women aren’t friends with attractive ones. There are cliques formed.
On the flipside, imagine chick A gets more attention and always gets screwed over by the guys. Chick B gets less attention, but meets guys that make her happy. What now?
And the blatant problem that you are oblivious to is the massive amount of bias and other bullshit that is associated with the anecdotal evidence that the PUA non-sense is based on. Either that, or some material is just convenient lies. It’s like the fitness industry all over again. You use a handful of examples to come to some hasty conclusions about an entire gender of the human species. To me that just sounds over the top. I don’t need a survey to tell me that. Obvious is obvious. Remember?
On the other hand, there is actual research into attractiveness from controlled experiments. Given the better quality information available about this topic, why would you ignore it and follow nothing but anecdotes? And where research is lacking, you can follow anecdotes – keeping in mind that your “mileage may vary.”

Hahahahah. Man… the other day, I was asking my wife about some famous actors… the big-name Hollywood hunks of past and present. In my mind I had some idea of who that most attractive ones were. Out of 10 that I mentioned, she only thought 3-4 were actually “really sexy.” Talk about subjective, huh?
And yeah, unless the differences are obvious (you have yet again provided no criteria for actual judgment.. no surprises), you are just making up bullshit in your head to fit whatever narrative you have in mind for your friends. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes.

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Nah. I'm 46 something. I regularly instadate 18-24 year old women and friendzone 17-year olds who want to date me. I spend less than a dollar on fishballs or burgers and girls don't complain. I sometimes spend $10 to $15 for the both of us in restaurants or tea shops for instadates and there's no difference on the amount of money you're spending as long as you keep on escalating. Escalation intensifies attraction.

I'm physically fit. I take care of my face and body. I dress on slim fit $2 tshirts as well as on $25 shirts. The only difference with the cheap slim fit t-shirts is that girls love touching my six pack abs versus when I'm wearing the higher priced looser shirts.

I sometimes wear my one and only pair of skinny jeans and girls love looking at my crotch when I get a hard on on my skinny jeans. Women of any age are visual creatures as well. As long as they have eyes and see things that get them to think sexual thoughts and make their pussy wet, then you're good whatever your age is.

Women are tactile creatures too. So if you're confident touching them, you can intensify their attraction.

Women are verbal creatures as well. Lead them to talk about sexual topics as you listen and they'll talk their way into your bedroom whatever the age difference is whether you have money or not.

Enough of this limiting belief that younger women can't get their pussies wet looking at the hard throbbing cocks of physically fit, well groomed older men who are comfortable holding women's hands and covertly rubbing elbows on their nipples.

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Agreed.

Just last night I took a 25 y.o. to Finding Dori, and she sat on my lap throughout most the movie whilst my hand was nestled between her inner thigh and pussy for a good portion of that time. Did I think I m too old for her, that "OMG I M SUCH A PEDO? Nope. And I can tell you from where my hand was, her oven was on broil.

So yea enough of the bullshit on age. Quite making excuses Op.

It all depends on the girl. There's no black and white answers in this shit. Each situation is going to be different.

I just had a 20 year old girl (who I was damn sure was into me already) that I was trying to get to hang out text me back with some shit. She gave me shit about being "almost 30." Fuck her lol there's always going to be another young 19-20 something that's looking for a masculine stud. There's always going to be some that arent' either.

The secret is to swing the bat and find out for yourself and stop reading stupid articles.

Auto, you got me rolling this morning lol. I dont know if you're just trolling or have just been living in a box, or whether you're just deluding yourself. So let me recap....If someone can assess that, they are more attractive than someone else, their head is stuck up their ass. If a chick walks into a party wearing a tight dress, and you find that appealing, it's group think. If a chick can distinguish a BMW from a honda, she's a gold digger. Heck, you want a research book for dating.


To answer your question on chick A and B, the chick who gets more attention will still know she is more attractive physically. Why would how much she gets screwed over affect how she views herself physically?


What is the issue? You've never noticed certain "attractive" women consistently get more attention than other "attractive" women? Youve never dated a woman that most other chicks in places walk up to a compliment her on how gorgeous she is? Youve never noticed there is a difference? I dont subscribe to the 9's and 10's need XYZ thing, but I cant lie and act like once a chick is above average she doesnt see a difference, or the majority of other people can't. Especially day to day and locally, when attractive traits show more convergence. Its not an ego trip for me, I just cant pretend like in the real world that chicks without deformities get the same attention CONSISTENTLY. Some girls are cute, some girls are gorgeous. No, that doesnt mean that everyone will say the gorgeous chick is gorgeous, but she gets a different level of attention and compliments than the cute chick. More people rank her 9 or 10 than the cute chick so she gets more attention.

Not liking the HB rating system is one thing. Pretending that chicks cant tell who is more attractive is another. Versalis was a better poster on what characteristics are widely appealing, I'll just say Ive been with enough women of different attractiveness, different countries and races, to know that certain women consistently get more attention where they live and hang out, and they have a good idea where they fall in comparison to the girls around them. It is what it is. If youve never noticed a difference then good for you. If you think a BMW looks like a Toyota, then what can I tell you? You're the one with an agenda. Whatever your beef is with rating, I just came into this answering your questions about PU and your bias is showing by your refusal to be honest. You're strongly against rating and thats fine, just not to the point where you cant be honest and need to find the specific instance where rating is difficult. So my question is sincerely, what is your real issue with attractiveness? Cause no one is arguing its subjectivity, but that doesnt mean all above average girls cant tell a difference. What is your issue with that?

That would be a big step up from the crap out there today. Might as well be reading fiction.
I’m sure some tiny fraction of women might see an actual difference in attention? Focus on “tiny fraction” for a second. I mean that literally. Talking about exceptions to the norm is pointless if you ask me. Is there any reason to care? Between the US East Coast, Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia (where I’ve spent most of my time) – people don’t generally roam around and give each other random compliments. And girls don’t get hit on 20 times a night. I’m not blind either, I get my eyesight checked annually…
Maybe more people rank someone 9 or 10 but does that have any actual impact on the amount of attention they get? I’d love to see some high end models/actresses get ranked by a randomly selected sample of men, aged 18-45, in an in-person rating (not photo), provided they are explained that 5 is a median score and half of women would be deemed “less” attractive than a 5. I’m willing to wager scores above a 7-8 will be close to non-existent. So the question remains.. according to these numbers… if some girl scores 1 point below another… does it really have an impact? We don’t know. End of story.
Issue is simple… you seem to think that there’s some universally agreed characteristics of attractiveness. And apparently, you’ve got it figured out, too. I agree with you… there are… in the extremes and especially in things which are unattractive. The rest is *purely subjective* and bias-laden, unless backed up with some concrete research into attractiveness. Again, your claims of “above average girls being able to tell the difference” are pure conjecture.

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