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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 1:07 am 
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Work on. Your inner game. If you feel overshadowed by these men then it means you should take a step back and evaluate. I'm not saying you're not in their league, it's that I don't want you to feel insecure or keep putting yourself in situations that will hurt your self esteem. Find someone else around your level of you want a wingman that bad. I've been solo hunting for years. You definitely grow on your own and come to rely on yourself
i don't use a wingman that much but there are places like clubs where you need them because they are full of cockblocks.Am not a big fan of night game i do usually day game and online game and i usually do it solo and it brings me success.Think i should definately ditch this guy he only hurts my self esteem and he seems like a selfish person because he never bothers to make you look good.All i try to do for people in game or in life is to make them look good and try to improve their situation if i can.He never seems to think like that.With him it is all about him.

Word of advice: You take care of yourself first. Everyone else second. Sounds selfish ? Eh not really, who else is going to look out for your needs and your interests ? Probably just your mom and your close family. Maybe you don't even have that support system. Then it boils down to just you ?

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Here's the thing man, it sounds like you're making it sound worse than it is.

You said the guy can't hold a conversation, so its understandable if he's that bad at conversation he can't really prop you up verbally. If his own verbals suck, he can't really help you.

Second, with the car...you sound like a child no offense. You don't work, and whether he has worked for what he has materially, or has inherited that from his parents, its his property.Maybe you cant understand how people can value their stuff, but an expensive car isn't something to just let you drive so you can look cool. Again, it doesnt mean he's a bad guy or selfish, maybe you dont understand the concept of personal property. Its always the people without, that want to use your shit for fuckery. If something happened to his car, do you have money to pay him back? No. So if he's not letting you drive thats just reality. I have a nice car, and I know friends who want to borrow that shit or drive it. But I don't entertain that. Because I know when I drove someone's else's car years ago, they had to pay for it when someone hit and ran us. And that made me understand why even friends don't like taking the risk unnecessarily.

Thirdly, I'll be honest and real here. If he's not actively stealing your girls, is not badmouthing you and not even good verbally, then you 2 are in different leagues. I'm not one to tell you its just your insecurities, that may be part of it, but lets be real, some people are just in different leagues. And girls/game doesnt work like the way you're describing it. If girls are leaving you to go to him, then you didnt have a shot in the first place. The girls who think they have a shot with the rich good looking dude, arent taking the jobless average looking graduate seriously. Again, I've known and know guys just like that. Ive had friends get mad that a girl liked me over them and somehow think that I took an option from them when a girl pursued me. No. Objectively I'm more attractive, and the girls weren't even thinking of my friend that way. You two are in different leagues. Girls dont get stolen that easily and consistently if you're a real option.

If a girl goes from him over you, its not his fault and he didnt steal her. You're not on the same level, and the girls who see him as being on their level dont see you on theirs. Otherwise, they'd fuck you both. Otherwise, he'd get SOME over you. Not like what you're describing. Its not fair, but its how it works. Can't tell me that at a bar, 1 guy is the reason you're leaving without something. Or 1 guy is making girls completely forget about you. There are so many other guys at the bar, if they're choosing him over you, they'd choose the next 10 guys like him at the other table over you.

Maybe you go out with some average "PUAs" and chat to some chicks and get a few flakey numbers. But SOLID "game" will get you results. Ive hung with dudes with more status than me, I've hung out with dudes with less, Ive hung out with dudes who make me look good and dudes who made me look bad. At the end of the night, if I'll get what I want regardless. A dude isn't taking any real options from you...they weren't interested in the first place.

Regardless if your self esteem is bruised, dont go out with him again. Its silly to me if "he is hotter than I am" and "he wont let me drive" and "he doesnt pull me up" is the reason. But if your self esteem is that bruised by someone else's status, you cant have that solid of results anyway. So, you can leave the guy and go back to the guys you can compete with. I'd rather play in the higher arena and get better, than with the guys who I don't have to really compete with. Thats how you get better. By being able to game with the hot guy around, not the other "PUAs."


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:14 am 
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You don't have a chance...and he is so sure he does because he has a fancy car?

This guy learns from you, then has the nerve to behave like that?

What an ungrateful idiot.


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quick update:Being a while since i heard from that friend of mine.I stopped contacting him when he stopped hanging out with me.I think he saw there was nothing more i could offer to him.I introduced him to game and he turned out to be quite a good player.I see him around occassionally driving his sports car and somehow i don't even feel bitter.Financially am moving up too and i think the key to happiness is not to compare yourself with others and you should not be bitter just because someone doesn't want you in their life anymore.The world owes any of us nothing and when you realize that deep down i believe you achieve humility and when you achieve humility you achieve happiness.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:30 am 
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There is a set that went cold on me and he is now talking to her.I told him that that is not cool but he says i don't stand a chance with her and that he stands a better chance.

This has happened to me before. I had a good looking wing for a while, but I did not teach him game, lol. That was your mistake. He was five years younger, same level as me looks wise, but his age helped him. He'd blow up the girl's phones constantly, or show up too drunk on expensive, elaborate dates and all the worthwhile women bailed on him right away. He got more "let's just be friends" texts the next day than I can count haha.

But, in your wing's defense, you did decide to play the game with him and use his car, like he used you for game tips. And therefore, you should be prepared for the possibility of one girl going cold on you and going for him (or vice versa). My current girlfriend of 7 months (who's obnoxiously beautiful) went on a date first with the wing man I mentioned above. She friend-zoned him the next day for beta behavior. A week later I moved in. There was no argument, no "You don't have a shot with her I do" jerkish behavior. We both understood, and had the self-awarnesss to recognize the consequences of our actions. Yes, my past wing is still grumpy about my gf, but in a more playful way.

And that is where you must bail on this asshole.

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There is a set that went cold on me and he is now talking to her.I told him that that is not cool but he says i don't stand a chance with her and that he stands a better chance.

This has happened to me before. I had a good looking wing for a while, but I did not teach him game, lol. That was your mistake. He was five years younger, same level as me looks wise, but his age helped him. He'd blow up the girl's phones constantly, or show up too drunk on expensive, elaborate dates and all the worthwhile women bailed on him right away. He got more "let's just be friends" texts the next day than I can count haha.

But, in your wing's defense, you did decide to play the game with him and use his car, like he used you for game tips. And therefore, you should be prepared for the possibility of one girl going cold on you and going for him (or vice versa). My current girlfriend of 7 months (who's obnoxiously beautiful) went on a date first with the wing man I mentioned above. She friend-zoned him the next day for beta behavior. A week later I moved in. There was no argument, no "You don't have a shot with her I do" jerkish behavior. We both understood, and had the self-awarnesss to recognize the consequences of our actions. Yes, my past wing is still grumpy about my gf, but in a more playful way.

And that is where you must bail on this asshole.
When you are saying his age helped.....was that due to him being early 20s and you late 20s(or late 20s, early 30s)?


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I'm 40, he was 35. All of the girls are in their 20's.

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Slowly ditch him in a nice way. It seems he's making you more insecure. And he's not considerate. Sounds arrogant.


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Slowly ditch him in a nice way. It seems he's making you more insecure. And he's not considerate. Sounds arrogant.
lol he ditched me slowly already so that is not an option i just keep my distance from him of late and things are changing for me too.


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So what's the ride?

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He sounds like a good wing to me, but I sense maybe you feel a bit insecure or jealous around him, or truly care about the girls you meet through cold approach before even knowing them. As if your neighbor is stealing your property or something.

You could use that guy as chick bait instead of worrying about him stealing girls, encourage it, throw girls at him, be generous, don't get jealous about it. Those girls will bring more girls, and so on and so on, and buddy can only really occupy one girl at a time, if there are too many girls around that leaves your wing really happy that you are tossing girls his way, and you really happy because the girls that are around know you hang out with a guy who's got his shit together.

Obviously though, this isn't going to be a benefit for you if you can't get over the idea of this guy getting laid or wanting to sleep with the same girls you find attractive. Jealousy can kill the whole wing man working together vibe, and just end up with two bitter guys tooling each other making each other look bad because they are both too insecure to realize that helping your buddy get laid before yourself and talking your friends up works a lot better then competing. Girls want winners, if you work together with another guy to create that perception and give each other respect and cooperation, you look the part a great deal more then two desperate guys fighting for scraps.


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He sounds like a good wing to me, but I sense maybe you feel a bit insecure or jealous around him, or truly care about the girls you meet through cold approach before even knowing them. As if your neighbor is stealing your property or something.

You could use that guy as chick bait instead of worrying about him stealing girls, encourage it, throw girls at him, be generous, don't get jealous about it. Those girls will bring more girls, and so on and so on, and buddy can only really occupy one girl at a time, if there are too many girls around that leaves your wing really happy that you are tossing girls his way, and you really happy because the girls that are around know you hang out with a guy who's got his shit together.

Obviously though, this isn't going to be a benefit for you if you can't get over the idea of this guy getting laid or wanting to sleep with the same girls you find attractive. Jealousy can kill the whole wing man working together vibe, and just end up with two bitter guys tooling each other making each other look bad because they are both too insecure to realize that helping your buddy get laid before yourself and talking your friends up works a lot better then competing. Girls want winners, if you work together with another guy to create that perception and give each other respect and cooperation, you look the part a great deal more then two desperate guys fighting for scraps.
That is quite easy when you are a top pua and you get so many sets.though i approach a lot i don't get much number closes and this wing of mine is super lazy he approaches nothing and he meets most of his sets through me which he ends up stealing.i don't think you would understand that unless you are in my situation.


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He sounds like a good wing to me, but I sense maybe you feel a bit insecure or jealous around him, or truly care about the girls you meet through cold approach before even knowing them. As if your neighbor is stealing your property or something.

You could use that guy as chick bait instead of worrying about him stealing girls, encourage it, throw girls at him, be generous, don't get jealous about it. Those girls will bring more girls, and so on and so on, and buddy can only really occupy one girl at a time, if there are too many girls around that leaves your wing really happy that you are tossing girls his way, and you really happy because the girls that are around know you hang out with a guy who's got his shit together.

Obviously though, this isn't going to be a benefit for you if you can't get over the idea of this guy getting laid or wanting to sleep with the same girls you find attractive. Jealousy can kill the whole wing man working together vibe, and just end up with two bitter guys tooling each other making each other look bad because they are both too insecure to realize that helping your buddy get laid before yourself and talking your friends up works a lot better then competing. Girls want winners, if you work together with another guy to create that perception and give each other respect and cooperation, you look the part a great deal more then two desperate guys fighting for scraps.
That is quite easy when you are a top pua and you get so many sets.though i approach a lot i don't get much number closes and this wing of mine is super lazy he approaches nothing and he meets most of his sets through me which he ends up stealing.i don't think you would understand that unless you are in my situation.
I've actually been in that situation, or at least something very similar. My old roomate and best friend is very handsome, he was scouted by a modeling agency when he was 17. He is fun to go out with and when I was younger he was my biggest drinking buddy. He just like your neighbor when we were younger, was more shy then me, but also got more attention from women and when he warms up to people he's a great guy and funny too. That was how we worked talking to girls out, I would go approach them and bring them back to introduce to him, then we would socialize together. Once there are girls talking to you and him, you just have to talk to one that interests you and try to escalate with her, if she is interested in you she will give you attention for doing it assuming your wing is giving attention to someone else. If she won't let you escalate and snubs you, then chances are your neighbor has little to do with it as some girls if attracted might simply want to just sleep with both of you. Even if the girl finds him more attractive it can be done just by giving her attention and a reason to pay attention to you. It's not so cut and dry one or the other.

It is also more useful when winging someone to make him look good, rather then make him look bad, it goes both ways, your wing should be trying to do the same for you. Things such as agreeing with your wing over the girls, taking his side, laughing at his jokes and mentioning cool stuff about him/making inside jokes with him can go a long way. The reality of a group is generally stronger then one persons reality unless that one person is extremely strong emotionally. It's much better when someone else brags for you, then when you brag for yourself, working together can give you a sense of security in a group. If you don't work that way and only think of your wing as an enemy or someone trying to get one over on you and end up treating him as an enemy and trying to get one over on him as a result of the insecurity you feel, you will end up with a self fulfilling prophecy. Likely not only will your wing not help you, hey may sense the spite you feel and return it in kind.

If at any point it's obvious that all the girls that are hooked and talking to you and your wing want nothing to do with you escalating with them, then simply tell your wing that the girls are a no go for you. Go try to find another girl or group of people/girls at the club to bring to meet the group, which if hooked and talking to your neighbor now has girls in it. You can now introduce new people, to the people you just met, which makes you easier to talk to from their point of view then the people they have just been introduced to.

You can even use your neighbor as the bait to get them to come back to the group in the first place, tell them about him, talk him up before they meet him and how they are welcome to come meet your friend, then start flirting with them after the introductions. If you are in a club there is generally a lot of people you could meet on any particular night, bars might be a little tougher because if you creep out too many girls you have a smaller pool to talk to and fail with. The upside though is bars generally have pool tables which is an easy out to hook girls with for conversation, just challenge them to a game of pool and you have an easy 10 min or more to talk to some girls you don't know.


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