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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:18 am 
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OK GUYS, enough hijacking.. I internet stalked this girl, or as I would like to call "private investigation." (at least I'm pretty sure it's her) she's in a relationship, and she's in town only because she's coming back to school, after her initial degree landed her a whopping job as a waitress. She's based out of a different town, and I imagine she's here by herself to get some more credit hours and get back into her field. furthermore, she's expecting a kid next year!! (not siting my sources, but these are facts)

my guess? she was on her period. hasn't had a man in a little too long. misses her man. wanted to bang, and I caught her in the right time at the right place, hence her apparent eagerness. anyway, I texted her twice today, and no response. I am now so deep in the hole I've dug that I might as well file a restraining order on myself.

Also, I'm now inclined to agree that you shouldn't just tell a girl she's beautiful. it's generic, bland, and unoriginal. there are various sources that I've found that verifies this. It's better for the complement to come from a genuine place, or targeting something very specific, like her clothes, her hair, or something like that. Admittedly, I didn't build a very good rapport with her, as I had originally thought. So lesson learned.

but there's a silver lining. I went grocery shopping today, and met two wonderful girls. Solid numbers, and probably dates this weekend. HAWLUHHHHHHH.
Lol...where did you get these lessons from in here? You gave a sincere compliment, her eyes lit up as you said. Why would you then think you shouldnt have done this? Also, if you think you caught her at the right place and right time, why wouldnt you take from this that you should have capitalized from it there? Why not learn that you shouldnt have taken it further right there? Because guess what, if your assumptions about her are true, and you could go back in time, NOT telling her she was stunning and building rapport wouldnt have gotten you a different outcome. Right place, right time = you push things further right there.
you're absolutely right. what I should've done was asking her what she was doing "tonight" as opposed to "this weekend." But I was tired, and I needed to get up in the morning, and being a outdoorsman, there wasn't much we could've done, as it was getting dark. I could have suggested a walk or something I guess. Ultimately, our interaction seemed genuine enough such that she wasn't going to flake, but obviously, situation got in the way, and I lost the bird in the hand.

Point is though, I think girls don't respond to generic complements as well as something else that seems more genuine. Today, I hit on a girl on the trail, and told her she looked cute. She just smiled, and I could feel an awkward tension between us. She then told me she was engaged, which could very well have been BS to get me to buzz off. On the other hand, I opened with something situational at the grocery store, and got very nice responses from them. They pretty much handed me their phones to put my number in.


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Point is though, I think girls don't respond to generic complements as well as something else that seems more genuine. Today, I hit on a girl on the trail, and told her she looked cute. She just smiled, and I could feel an awkward tension between us. She then told me she was engaged, which could very well have been BS to get me to buzz off. On the other hand, I opened with something situational at the grocery store, and got very nice responses from them. They pretty much handed me their phones to put my number in.
You're talking like women have a one size fits all approach. There are too many variables to find a pattern in general.

1ST GIRL MIGHT HAVE BEEN ENGAGED FOR REAL. Grocery girl might flake despite the number...

All you need to know is calibrate to the situation and make sure it is integrated with the type of person you are. Because I have laid girls from compliments and I have laid girls from being indirect also, so there you go

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furthermore, she's expecting a kid next year!! (not siting my sources, but these are facts)

my guess? she was on her period.
Yeah, this is making perfect sense! :lol:

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Point is though, I think girls don't respond to generic complements as well as something else that seems more genuine. Today, I hit on a girl on the trail, and told her she looked cute. She just smiled, and I could feel an awkward tension between us. She then told me she was engaged, which could very well have been BS to get me to buzz off. On the other hand, I opened with something situational at the grocery store, and got very nice responses from them. They pretty much handed me their phones to put my number in.
You're talking like women have a one size fits all approach. There are too many variables to find a pattern in general.

1ST GIRL MIGHT HAVE BEEN ENGAGED FOR REAL. Grocery girl might flake despite the number...

All you need to know is calibrate to the situation and make sure it is integrated with the type of person you are. Because I have laid girls from compliments and I have laid girls from being indirect also, so there you go

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how do you calibrate?


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With common sense

Well, if I approached a girl who was with a guy, my approach would be somewhat different than my usual get in her face and physically escalate

For example, the grocery girl....If I met the same girl on the dancefloor, I wouldn't talking about if the Tuna tastes good or not by having conversations on dancefloors.

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With common sense

Well, if I approached a girl who was with a guy, my approach would be somewhat different than my usual get in her face and physically escalate

For example, the grocery girl....If I met the same girl on the dancefloor, I wouldn't talking about if the Tuna tastes good or not by having conversations on dancefloors.
I guess what characteristics am i looking for and what are some techniques I can use to reveal them? It's all about actively knowing how the girl behaves right? so some girls are pushy, others are laid back. some girls respond to complement, others seek validation and respond to criticism. some girls like to have intellectual conversations, others are airheads who care more about their nails.

I feel like I'm half way there. I suppose like you said, this calibration just comes with experience, and trial/error. but it would sure help to know some pointers for next time


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With common sense

Well, if I approached a girl who was with a guy, my approach would be somewhat different than my usual get in her face and physically escalate

For example, the grocery girl....If I met the same girl on the dancefloor, I wouldn't talking about if the Tuna tastes good or not by having conversations on dancefloors.
I guess what characteristics am i looking for and what are some techniques I can use to reveal them? It's all about actively knowing how the girl behaves right? so some girls are pushy, others are laid back. some girls respond to complement, others seek validation and respond to criticism. some girls like to have intellectual conversations, others are airheads who care more about their nails.

I feel like I'm half way there. I suppose like you said, this calibration just comes with experience, and trial/error. but it would sure help to know some pointers for next time
You are looking at it from the perspective of trying to fit in with them. If you want to really become good with women, you have to get your head right and then make them want to fit in with you. We talk about being a challenge a lot here and part of being a challenge is making women adjust to you and not the other way around. All of the characteristics that you are attempting to reveal will be revealed if your character is solid. If you operate out of a mentality that is fearful of revealing yourself, you're going to miss out on more women.

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With common sense

Well, if I approached a girl who was with a guy, my approach would be somewhat different than my usual get in her face and physically escalate

For example, the grocery girl....If I met the same girl on the dancefloor, I wouldn't talking about if the Tuna tastes good or not by having conversations on dancefloors.
I guess what characteristics am i looking for and what are some techniques I can use to reveal them? It's all about actively knowing how the girl behaves right? so some girls are pushy, others are laid back. some girls respond to complement, others seek validation and respond to criticism. some girls like to have intellectual conversations, others are airheads who care more about their nails.

I feel like I'm half way there. I suppose like you said, this calibration just comes with experience, and trial/error. but it would sure help to know some pointers for next time
You are looking at it from the perspective of trying to fit in with them. If you want to really become good with women, you have to get your head right and then make them want to fit in with you. We talk about being a challenge a lot here and part of being a challenge is making women adjust to you and not the other way around. All of the characteristics that you are attempting to reveal will be revealed if your character is solid. If you operate out of a mentality that is fearful of revealing yourself, you're going to miss out on more women.
i think the truth is somewhere in between. It's important to not compromise my character, I know that. I was addressing the earlier comment made about how there's no 1 size fits all type of approach, and that calibration is needed to understand what stimuli work for each woman


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Emotional stimuli work for each woman.

There you go.

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In my book, she's a 10.5..
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Thats one of the reasons you're having issues. Theres no such thing man. And putting a woman that high, mentally puts them out of your reach.

I don't how many unanswered texts you've gone through, but I'd knock on another door if you want a small chance at this working out. Give it 3-5 days of silence, see what she does, and then pick up the phone to call her instead of texting her to see what happens.

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You basically have to compliment her on something she wants to be appreciated for, which others do not normally see in her. That's where the magic happens.
Yes. This advice has been given in "Art of Seduction" actually (for those that discredit the book, hehe).

A truly beautiful woman gets compliments that she's beautiful left to right. But, how often does she get compliments about her intellect, her success, etc.?

What is a beautiful woman insecure about? Is it her looks? Not necessarily. Most beautiful women know they are beautiful.

Find an area in her life where she's lacking, she's got low confidence in.

Let's say she's a hairdresser. Tell her her conversations are interesting, she's got a mind of her own, she's well-read (hopefully), she's one of the few women you've connected with on an intellectual level, or tell her that you respect/admire her trade, her business, etc.

Let's say she's an average looking woman but has a good career. She's most likely confident in that area of her life, but is she confident in her looks area? She's a 6, but make her feel like a 10. Then she'll be hooked onto you to fill up this hole in her life.

She's getting older? Tell her oh, really, I thought you were much younger!

As an example: I had a friend that was overly sensitive about her looks. Face-wise and body-wise, she's around a 6, tops a 7 with make-up. She thought she'd never find a man. Well, she did. You should hear the comments he makes about her- you're so beautiful, you've got such great legs, any woman would kill to have your ass, etc. They got married. She told me one day she never thought how good looking she was until she met her man. She's made a number of comments where she goes, look at me, I'm such a hottie, aren't I....


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