Masculinity won't make a cheap compliment any better.

If she's already attracted, there's nothing to discuss here.
I do compliment women on attractiveness or looks-related things. The compliment has to be well thought out. Simple compliments aren't worth anything. Again, this relates to the OP and his blanket "you're so beautiful" line which is old, tired, lame and shows no effort. A girl could have spent an hour putting together her outfit. Complimenting her on how she matched her clothing pieces will be a much stronger compliment. Or a compliment about a specific aspect of her smile, eyes, etc. There are situations I can see myself 'opening' a girl with a line like "Hey gorgeous" - but that's going to be pretty rare. My original point was that I would avoid the blanket looks compliments until things get hotter - but at that point the girl is already invested in me. As Arch Stanton said "It will only mean something to women at these attractive levels if they are emotionally invested in you."

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You missed the point of the statement. Masculinity will keep you from looking needy. A cheap compliment won't make you look any worse.Arch also said that these girls hear the compliments all of the time and think the guys who says them appear to be douche bags and not good in bed. That's not what life experience has taught me. If you go read my post on compliments, you'll understand more of what I'm saying when it comes to delivery of a compliment and how to make a "blanket" compliment come across better and be appreciated.

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Hey Arch, I dont think anyone is advocating that if you're a fat stuttering slob complimenting a woman on her appearance will help you. As Drag said, the goal is to be an attractive guy so when you deliver a compliment you're not in the category of "just another loser telling me I'm hot." I dont think Ive ever met a chick whose problem was damn...all these attractive men keep complimenting me.

These friends of your gf and your gf herself, are they rolling their eyes when an attractive guy comes up to them and charmingly says Hi you are gorgeous, calmly and confidently? I'd guess not. And if there are confident men complimenting them and they are lumping them in the "meathead" category because omg he's complimenting me, then they are just women who want a reason to roll their eyes. If they are passing up obviously attractive, confident non meatheads then thats on them.

Personally Ive never had a problem with complimenting a woman's appearance. Have had gorgeous girls months later into dating and relationships keep bringing "omg..do you remember when we met and you told me you're gorgeous...I was so happy when you said that."

As you said, its an overused line. But I dont think fucking a girl is like climbing Everest, where I gotta avoid anything overused. For me, it may be compliment, girl blushes, talk, what do you do and more overused shit, throw some flirting in...hey lets go here. "Hi" is way overused...never had a problem of chicks looking at me as just another guy opening with "hi." I'm curious now as to what your style is...Mystery method? My analogy before was to say a compliment is no big deal. If girls are rolling their eyes when you compliment them, they weren't interested in the first place.

I'm not going to disagree with most of your post at all.

But when you look at the context of the OP, this girl is neutral or fence-sitting.

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As another guy said, horrible analogy.
It's no big deal, I agree. No idea who you're referring to, but I do give compliments. I try to make them count, though. As I told the other guy - generic compliments are cheap and scream "I'm lazy" all the while you're actually trying to be attractive to her. Sounds like really 'oxymoronic' behavior, for lack of a better (made up) word. Nothing sexy or attractive about being like every other guy... Mr. Bud Light, Pizza, NFL and Toyota Camry.

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This is why I thought you didn't give compliments.I understand where you are coming from since you say you actually do compliment. But why would you wait until the moment that you're in bed or just about to be in the bed with her? Isn't it still a lazy compliment(I think that's what you called it) at that point? At that point, what makes it different? Is it now that you've got her in the bed, you can be lazy now? "Mission accomplished."

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I suppose the difference is - when things are getting hot, saying things like that is basically fuel for the fire. Sweet nothings.

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Is the analogy really so difficult to grasp?

I'll explain it:

Giving a compliment, has nothing to do with power

When you give a compliment, you're not giving power away or giving someone "the upper hand"

Hence, your BOSS can give you a compliment. It doesnt mean you are above him...he is your BOSS.

So when you give a girl a compliment, what power are you SPAM?

On a deeper note, lets be real here. Who are these girls fucking? Mr. Budlight, mr Toyota. The way I hear girls sound on here is like the only guys banging these hot chicks are NBA players or Ryan Gosling. Lol, the chick you pedestal so much, her last 5 lays were in a college dorm to a guy who she met through friends playing beer pong. Look at who exactly is putting these chicks on pedestals...you're saying you need to think out a special compliment for a chick, instead of just expressing how you feel. Who has the chick on a pedestal here? I'd tell a girl she's hot just cause it popped in my mind, knowing hey she's just a hot chick out of many. I'd not put in much effort into it to lay her. I'm honestly curious on you and Arch's game, because I assume if you put this much though into holding back interest and compliments and giving her mystery, that you're wasting a lot of time trying to lay a chick because you dont think it could be that simple. Not saying that you are, I'm honestly asking how long do you guys take to lay chicks if you're trying so hard not to be like any other guy (cause most other guys would try to fuck). How long does it typically take and if you do lay rather quickly, how do you work around all of this, what it seems like power games?

Two guys stuck in a mental masturbation cycle. Auto-regression has aptly named himself

The answer is simple.. I'm not trying to lay as many women as quickly as possible. That was never a goal for me, from "PUA" or otherwise. The last time I actively 'sarged' was like 2008. I dropped that mindset entirely after that. I was always interested in LTRs and found myself one. Meanwhile, I'll tell you this. I could have "laid" chicks in an hour sometimes - doing nothing other than exchanging some small talk. They were the ones looking for the one night stand.

Thinking about an original, meaningful compliment isn't putting anyone on a pedestal. It's someone putting in effort to make someone else feel good, because they want to. That is all.

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Your statements are full of contradictions.

Your one liners still aren't helping anyone here, Sparky.

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I should have explained myself further in my first few posts. At that point it was directed mostly at the OP.

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Astute observations, less so being anything remotely resembling a "one-liner".

Don't wear your arms out back-pedalling up the river.