Your gf is an outlier OR the guys saying it our doing so out of a douchie energy. "hot" is pretty generic so hearing that is quite often off putting to some women, that much i can understand.

BTW how do we know your gf is a 9 or 10. That's just your standard of her level of attraction, she could very well be my 3 or 5.

I hate getting into the history of women that I've been out with on the forum because it feels like bragging...and bragging is so tacky, IMO. But I see this statement so much it irks me in such a way that I have to say something.

#1 Amanda. I met her at Universal City Walk. She was featured in King Magazine, Lowrider Magazine, a few of those import car magazines. She was ridiculously hot and would probably be lumped into the 9,10 category. Within 5-10 minutes of a conversation I complimented her on beauty. Was with her for a few years.

#2 Lisa. Another seriously hot girl. She was featured in Maxim magazine in one of the hot college girl issues. Met her at Venice Beach and told her that I thought she was one of the hottest girls I've seen in a while within the first few minutes of talking. Was with her for about a year.

#3 Chelsea. She's an actress/model that I met because she was my friend's girlfriend's cousin. She did a bunch of small parts but would play hot girl #1 or something along those lines. She also was on one of those WB shows as one of the main characters after we stopped going out. Complimented her on her attractiveness multiple times when we first met. She had a boyfriend that she was sneaking around on and I didn't find out until later...but it lasted for a few months after I found out.

It's okay to compliment beauty if you do it right. You also need to get across that even though you are complimenting her beauty it alone won't be the thing that wins you over.

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Most guys do say it out of douchy energy, but in general it's a douchy thing to say.

lol, come on man. show some intellectual honesty.

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Some guys here have touched on some of it already, but basically it avoids putting her on a pedestal and giving her the obvious upper hand over you too soon. No matter how you say it, it'll give her a little bit more power - why do that?

Also, girls seem to like some mystery, so not putting all your cards on the table and revealing your interest to her piece by piece makes more sense. You're already showing you're interested by talking to her, hanging out with her, etc. It kills the mystery you have big time to just lay it all out.

And indeed, just giving basic looks-based compliments is super boring and she's heard it a thousand times before, probably. You'll need specific and sincere ones to really have them make a positive impact.

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I'm going to say something that a lot of guys here don't understand because they operate in a way to avoid certain perceptions of themselves. Masculinity is all the power that you need. Women hardly ever will think a man that is truly masculine as being needy or feel that they have power over him. If you tell a girl that she's beautiful and she hears it all of the time, there is no mystery there to be killed if she already feels the attraction between the two of you. If she doesn't appreciate the comment, it's because she isn't attracted to you or doesn't have any rapport with you.

You probably never have experienced this since you don't compliment women on attractiveness, but I'm sure that a lot of guys here can vouch for this statement that have complimented women on beauty when she asks, "what attracted you to me?" This statement shows you how men and women are different. A guy can look at a girl and just be attracted to her with no explanation but beauty. Girls on the other hand can see guys as attractive but not be attracted to them. Basically, even if you tell a girl that she's attractive it's not the uncertainty that women care about.

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A compliment does not give someone the upper hand over anything. In fact, if you give a compliment from a confident place you have the upper hand. Your boss tells you "Nice suit"...you dont go around thinking "wow...I own that guy!"
Giving a compliment is no...big....deal.... Telling a girl she is beautiful does not mean thats the end of the mystery. Honestly, many of you need to be normal and give compliments to people. Its not some kinda power thing. Its not some kinda statement of intent. You're the hottest girl Ive seen does not mean I'm won over.
No one said to just bombard a chick with looks based compliments. And if she's attractive and you tell her that is that not sincere? Look, you can spend time building up some mystery and playing what sounds like the long game to eventually bed a chick. Or, you can use looks based compliments smartly like "you look sexy tonight" to turn her on and bed her that night. Too many guys seem focused on upper hand/lower hand instead of TURNING HER ON and being CONFIDENT. I focus on dominance and turning her on, more than who has the upper hand right now. Sleeping with a chick is no big deal. Its not defusing a bomb or climbing mount everest. Fun, connect, escalate...sex. If she thinks you giving her a compliment means you've won her over, then you're doing it wrong.


Edit- Damn Jack posted it a better way before I hit submit.

An overused line is an overused line.
That's a terrible analogy, lol, unless you're trying to fuck your boss.

Telling a girl she's beautiful before you have sex makes you very similar to all the meatheads she has heard it from over the years. It's indicative of an unoriginal and boring personality, and probably a guy who sucks in bed, too.
No, but it does make a guy sound like an unoriginal douche who doesn't get laid much.

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Girls are not stupid

They know that:
1 - The orbiter guy that is really friendly with her, wants to get in her pants
2 - The guy teasing her and telling her to stop checking out his ass, she knows he wants to get in her pants
3 - The guy complimenting how sexy she walks, she knows he wants to get in her pants

Point being, girls know your agenda however you do it. So you might as well ditch number 1 for obvious reasons.

There is a lot of variables on-top of these things also. Maybe she ain't sexually available, maybe she thinks you're ugly as fuck, maybe you remind her of her ex-boyfriend.

As long as you're approaching with some intent and are willing to make a move, then fuck this mystery man bull shit because an attractive girl has constant dick offerings on a daily business, whether it be the creepy guy messaging her 'How is your day on Facebook' or the guy at work telling her she has nice eye's and finally asks her on a date after 2 years of working together

An attractive man compliments a sexy girl = Girls like it
An ugly man complimenting a sexy girl = Girls think it's creepy

It's the girls that are neutral about you where 'the game' is played. So, however, you do it is up to you. A compliment is better than nothing at all

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They also know that they're hot. So telling them this falls into the "respect their intelligence' theme here.


hahah, so true. This shit just creeps girls out, or they'll feel betrayed that the guy was so phony.

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Arch, are you saying there hasn't been one single case of a 'HOT' woman that has had sex with a guy that started with a compliment?

You guys make it sound like the compliment is everything to do with the seduction, what about the MANY MANY other factors in between seduction and opening?

Cheesy chat up lines work, if you are attractive and nail the delivery (And your mid and closing game is on point)

If you're unattractive and doesn't fit your character, then cheesy chat up lines are cheesy and creepy (even if your mid and closing game is on point)

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Of course not.
Agreed. But most men aren't attractive.

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This is only true if you have nothing else to say other than she's beautiful.

The part about a guy who sucks in bed too...that's bullshit. Imagine if you were dancing with a girl, assuming that you're a good dancer, would she assume you're boring in bed if you're pulling her in and taking control on the dance floor? Hell no! She's more likely to think that you won't be boring in bed. So let's saying you're dancing with her in the same manner and you whisper to her that she's beautiful. She's not going to think "I thought he'd be good in bed, but now that's changed."
I'm starting to understand where you are coming from, at least I hope I do. I'm thinking that you are talking about guys that have nothing to say at all with the exception of a beauty compliment and does not carry with any type of sexuality. If that's the case, you're more right than wrong. If you are talking about a guy that's confident and knows how to keep a woman interested, then I'd say that you're living in a testosterone bubble.

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For me it's that I say what I want to say. I don't live and die by a compliment...if that's what I'm feeling at the moment, I'm not afraid to say it. I think the words that are being said are minimally important...it's the subcommunication that's where you'll find success. I just think that there is a lot of garbage when it comes to what you shouldn't be saying.

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Agreed but why give a fuck about those typical men?

Most people are poor, most people are over-weight yada yada yada

This forum (at least tries to, anyway) to advocate obtaining attractive qualities, physically and mentally to obtain you the results that you deserve

If you attractive from the help being on this forum, a cheesy chat up line is more likely to 'work' than if you were unattractive

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Agreed. Being authentic always goes way more smoother than going in your head and thinking 'Hmmm, she is probably used to compliments, let's ask her if her nails are real'

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