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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:41 pm 
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Sex does not "corrupt" anything. And there's definitely nothing Disneyesque about it either.

This is not about "I thought of fucking my bff once". This is about you not becoming "BFF's" with a female without one party, at some point in time, being sexually attracted to the other. You simply do not spend that amount of time together if there's no sexual interest.

Men and women cannot be platonic friends. They can BECOME platonic friends eventually, but the spark of that friendship is always rooted in attraction.

And I mean friends, not someone you had a beer with once. Actual, close friends.
Okay, so you're suggesting that, if a friendship is not platonic, it's not real/true/honest/pure? That's what I call Disneyesque.

Also, although I see what you mean about sex inevitably coming in between a heterosexual friendship, and I think in most cases it's true, I'm sure you can find a case like a platonic friendship between, say, a 10-year-old boy and a 90-year-old grandma.

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I'm sure you can find a case like a platonic friendship between, say, a 10-year-old boy and a 90-year-old grandma.
I'm sure you could find one off cases of just about anything. But as a general rule, (meek) men befriend women, in the hopes that one day she'll trip and her pussy will fall directly on his ready cock. Women go ahead and befriend these poor souls for the free shit.

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I have some platonic female friends. They were usually brought into my social circle by another guy that was having sex or attempting to have sex with. That being said, I had sex with one of those platonic friends after they broke up and his job moved him away...so part of me believes that deep down that even platonic friends have some unacknowledged sexual tension(or I'm making an excuse for myself).

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Just because you think you have a platonic relationship with a girl, because you 'think' she's of no sexual interest, doesn't eliminate the possibility she wants to fuck YOU!

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Okay, so you're suggesting that, if a friendship is not platonic, it's not real/true/honest/pure? That's what I call Disneyesque.

Also, although I see what you mean about sex inevitably coming in between a heterosexual friendship, and I think in most cases it's true, I'm sure you can find a case like a platonic friendship between, say, a 10-year-old boy and a 90-year-old grandma.
Maybe you just take the word friendship more lightly.

Yes, if a friendship is not platonic it is not honest. Nor pure. If she wants to fuck me or I want to fuck her it is not honest.
That doesn't mean it can't be a great friendship, it just means it will probably die off as soon as the feelings die off. And if it doesn't, then it becomes platonic. Which is far, far more rare than people claim.

I have real male friends that are close to me to this day and I've met them 10-15 years ago. I've never had a friendship with a female to last even remotely close to that. Mostly because once the attraction dissipates for one reason or another, the people tend to grow apart.

I'm not making a science out of this and you're entitled to having a different opinion. I'm just speaking out of my personal experience.

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Ok, HJ, so we agree that it is POSSIBLE for a heterosexual friendship to be platonic from start to finish. One point I wanted to make.

Next, I was reacting to your statement that the only true friendship is a platonic friendship. If that's your definition I'm fine with that, but in my world this is Disney-BS, implying that sexual feelings corrupt a "true" friendship to a "false" friendship.

RC, do you mean, because you're hiding something from your friend, it's not a honest, therefore not a "true" friendship? That doesn't cut it for me, I don't tell my best friends of my porn fetishes or whatnot; that doesn't make them less friends to me.
And you're implying that the thing that holds most heterosexual friendships together is the sexual feeling. First, I disagree that it's the case of MOST heterosexual friendships (though we can't discuss on that because it's your experience against mine). Secondly, if that's the case then you're not in a friendship at all, just pursuing a sexual relation, so I wouldn't consider these situations in the current discussion.

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Isn't all of this way too broad though? I mean it seems like "would bang" is different from attracted to someone which is different from friendship hoping to bang. Like if I had a fat friend.. Well I may feel like I would bang her if she come easy for a bj or something... But thats not close to the guys who befriend a chick and are being her friend just to bang her. I mean girls have gay guy friends. Girls have friends who don't care about banging like that. I feel like would bang is not really a big thing. Like want to fuck and would fuck are 2 different things.


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RC, do you mean, because you're hiding something from your friend, it's not a honest friendship?
No. I mean that if our friendship started because I initially wanted to fuck her eyes out, and then eventually came to realize she's a cool person whom I would still fuck the eyes out of, it is not an honest friendship.
The reason for our getting along is not our amazing personality compatibilities, but the sexual attraction plus compatibilities.

Do you see why in my eyes that is not honest?
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And you're implying that the thing that holds most heterosexual friendships together is the sexual feeling. To me, if that's the case then you're not in a friendship, just pursuing a sentimental/sexual relation.
Exactly. You are initially pursuing a sentimental/sexual relation. And if that sexual feeling were reciprocated, it would probably not have been a friendship but a relationship.
However if for whatever reason it's not, and you're not prone to infatuation / typical friendzone bullshit, you can eventually develop a sort of friendship.

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I see what you consider "dishonest", and I agree. Someone being around a girl in order to bang her won't become "true" friend with her unless he connects with the girl through something else than his penis.
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Exactly. You are initially pursuing a sentimental/sexual relation.
Not necessarily.
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And if that sexual feeling were reciprocated, it would probably not have been a friendship but a relationship.
However if for whatever reason it's not, and you're not prone to infatuation / typical friendzone bullshit, you can eventually develop a sort of friendship.
To me genuine emotional relationships include a feeling of friendship. A LTR is not worth having if you're not best buddy with your girl. That apart I agree with you, but would kick out the "sort of" in your last sentence.

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Ok there is this girl I have had my eye on since first sight. We have already made good friends as we are fellow songwriters. I want to get established as friends first as she has obviously been through tough times but that is beside the point. She is always asking my opinion of what she is wearing. Does that imply anything?
What do you think it could possible imply?

Also this whole " established as friends first" will leave you as just friends 80% of the time. While you're working on being her friend there is going to be a guy who believes she needs someone like him now because of her tough times and you'll be advising her on how to deal with him right after you address what she's wearing.

A girl asking you want she's wearing doesn't necessarily have to mean anything, however.. I'm a big proponent of assuming attraction. Interpret everything a girl says as a sign that she's attracted to you until you find out whether she actually is or not. So yes it means something; now do something about it.

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To me genuine emotional relationships include a feeling of friendship. A LTR is not worth having if you're not best buddy with your girl. That apart I agree with you, but would kick out the "sort of" in your last sentence.
Correct. A true relationship is also a true friendship. And that is honest. Because the intentions were clear from the beginning, and the attraction was acted upon.

And that is why I believe you cannot be platonic just friends with a woman. But you obviously can and should be best friends with your girlfriend.

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The way it is for me, like with female coworkers, is I am attracted to pretty girls and want to bang them. Shocker! Controversy! My attraction to them makes me want to get closer to them, get to know them more. As I get to know them more i inevitably wind up genuinely liking the girl cuz she's cool or whatever. From there I deep dive out of genuine interest and intrigue. "You're an interesting girl, tell me about...". So while my initial attraction turns into genuine interest and a close friendship is born. But just because a close friendship has materialized that doesn't mean the attraction has went away. It's always there. And I'm honest and upfront about that. I let them know I like them in two different ways, as a friend and also as someone I'm sexually interested in. My openess and honesty is refreshing. I don't try sweep my sexual attraction under the rug with my female coworkers (that I wind up genuinely liking as ppl). I always say if there's even a little bit of attraction between a guy and girl then they can never be true platonic friends.


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