Hey guys,

I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on Corey Wayne, or if I'm alone here.

At first his videos were inspiring, although he does tend to put out like 10 videos for each concept, wording them a little differently.

His approach is to basically leave women alone, and let them chase you.

Sit at a bar and be cool and confident, and girls will come up to you.

If they become flaky, you say, "cool, let me know if you change your mind." -and then they're supposed to go nuts and start blowing up your phone after about two weeks.

The problem is, guys, every single piece of advice on how to handle things with a girl has fallen absolutely fucking flat.

Girls that flake and I say, "Cool, no problem", well, I never hear from again.

He also says, "Never confirm dates; that makes you look weak and needy." One girl could only do something with me in 10 days because of her travelling/schedule/out-of-town friend. I followed like he said, and didn't hear a fucking word from her. She was gone. What a bunch of horse shit!!!

If you were having beers with a buddy of yours Thursday after work, scheduled earlier that week, you'd confirm that wouldn't you? Sounds to me just courtesy.

A buddy of mine who gets way more play than I do said, "Dude, if you're going to schedule a date out with a girl 10 days out, you better be doing some confirming. If it's a week out, confirm the day before or 2 days before.

I was blown away by looking at Reddit and saw more and more of this "Don't schedule dates out, it just gives her more of a chance to reject you!" and "Never confirm dates! you'll look needy and weak" bullshit!! What gives???!

He even suggests "boyfriend destroyers" (e.g. If a girl tells you she has a boyfriend when you ask her out, tell her "Oh, that's great, he can keep you busy when you're not doing stuff with me"(CREEPY!!!))

- which have been denounced by pros on this site as "retarded, don't do them."

If a girl tells you she has a boyfriend when you ask her out, that's not a shit-test. She either has a boyfriend, isn't interested in you, or is just plain sexually unavailable in some other way.

I ran some of these concepts by a friend of mine who also gets a lot more play than I do:

"No girl who has flaked on me who I've said, 'cool, no problem, just hit me up some time' has ever called me back later. Ever.

and... "No girl who has disappeared on me has ever resurfaced when I played it cool." They're just gone.

One thing I will grant Corey, is that you don't want to let on to a girl that she's the only thing you've got going on. If she figures that, she'll be like, "Wait a minute, why aren't other girls chasing this guy? If other girls aren't chasing him too, he must not be much f a catch." Fair enough.

But that can backfire too. Many girls will be turned off to find that you're dating other girls at the same time, even if you just met! One girl declined a second date with me and the reason she gave was that, when she asked me if I was seeing other girls, I told her that there were a couple, and that that wasn't her thing, she was offended, and best of luck.

I have a suspicion that Corey Wayne is the concoction of the women's movement, to basically get guys to leave women alone and stop hitting on them.

Perhaps a way to get guys to stop sending girls "Fuck you bitch! You're not all that! Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!!!" - types of texts if they disappear or decline second dates.

Just a thought but it makes total sense. If a girl has high superficial standards and doesn't want to be approached, having some guy under the veil of a "dating coach" telling guys to stop chasing them is a Godsend!

I also have a suspicion that some of his "viewer emails" are fake, because he says a lot "things must have gone sideways" and as he's reading an email, a viewer supposedly wrote, "I was dating this girl, and things went sideways."

Maybe my imagination is a little at work here (or maybe not!). But either way, I think my criticisms of his stuff are spot on. He will delete comments from his videos that contradict his message, with experiences.

I haven't read his book yet, but if it's anything like his videos (and I've seen about 100 of them or so), then man, it seems like I'd be venturing down a pretty useless path!

What do you guys think?

- Rob

Lol yeah, I finally got laid more when I actually started to approach girls and made a move

You can sit back and play it cool, but for a noob, I don't think it's a good idea in my opinion

When you are at a decent level, you can do the eye contact more and kind of do that sort of thing so that it's on before you've approached her.

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I just checked his channel out.

Some of the topics of the videos are alright. However, all he is doing is giving his point of view. He is just talking, talking and talking. He's like your mates grand dad who is giving you advice on what it was like in his day trying to sound philosophical in his front room. Only he's doing it behind some cheesy music, in front of some sports conference like wallpaper trying too look like a relationship expert.

Most of the videos and shit he's saying is just there to fill time, he really needs to get to the fucking point. But that's not something he'd want. Because his goal of these videos isn't to give you the complete answer, it is to direct you to his site where he is trying to flog about 50 different products. Most of them which are absolutely nothing to do with pick up. So why this guy is getting mentions in the game community is completely beyond me. His product seems more tailored to becoming a faggot.

Which brings me onto the guy himself. It's pretty obvious by his look, the way he speaks and everything about him that he doesn't get much pussy. He gives off weak vibes all the time, something that most girls would friend zone a guy for. He also has absolutely no proof whatsoever of what his status is. It's the same story... I was unsuccessful with girls way into my 20's then I miraculously became amazing and within two years I had a whole website set up and now want to share my secrets with you... FOR A $1000 SPAM SESSION. But where are his results and where is the proof of his results? For all we know he could of just set that screen up in the background and be recording these videos from his mothers basement, and never fucked a girl in his life. Let alone have the ability to transfer these skills to another guy. Taking a guy from 0 to hero would need a lot of hard work and the right coaching methods, I don't think this guy is supplying them.

In terms of 'game, pick up and seduction' I really don't think he fits the mould. He obviously isn't a player. Anyone who has shared a good amount of experience with the opposite sex and 'gets' girls will be able to tell this within a few minutes of watching this guy. Which brings me to my final point... I don't really know what service this guy is really offering, because his message is very confusing. Is he going to turn you into a ladies man because in some of his videos he actually contradicts messages? He's all about game and pick up, but the on the other hand he's all about getting your wife back. It all makes me wonder if this guy has every cold approached and actually taken a girl to bed, or what lifestyle he is actually living. To me it just seems like he's chatting concepts to a camera.

He seems like he's just there for for guys who might want somebody to cuddle and talk to about their feelings. And give him $1000 for the pleasure of doing so.

Conclusion... He's one of the many things wrong with the pick up and seduction community at the moment and I would stay away from his material if you want to get good at this.

You gotta experiment yourself and find what works for you. Confirm dates with 10 girls. Dont confirm dates with 10 girls. See the difference. Invite 10 girls to the movies. Invite 10 girls to the bar. See the difference. If more guys would just try different things and see what works for them instead of reading and figuring out which guru is legit or not, more guys would be getting better.

I have found lately that this should be billed as "cool,-let-me-know-if-you're-free-sometime" game.

I challenge a guy to post truthfully that he got laid or a girlfriend from simply saying "cool, well let me know sometime if you wanna hang out."

Seriously, in what universe does anything like this even work?

What a crock of shit!

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I think Mark Manson said if a guy just approached often, and didn't even read a lick of PUA material he'd eventually get good with women.

For the most part, that's true. ACTION trumps any of this PUA stuff any day. Learning a bit about frames, calibrating etc in addition with ACTION - I'd say a ratio of 1:3 (1 part learning to 3 DOING) u'll be well beyond the herd in no time.

This works all the time for me. Sometimes the girl will hit me up the next day...sometime 2 months.

When he emphasizes patience, he really means it. Patience from a man is an aphrodisiac to a woman. When you contact them and then retreat, if they have any attraction for you, they will wonder, and then reach out.


this shit works as long as you are perceived as having value.


I find Corey's advice to be better than most, and he's calm and well spoken unlike a lot of the guru-spazzes who had too much Red Bull.

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It's free advice dude lol take it with a grain of salt.

This showing value thing is really starting to wrankle my ass. You would never have that by yourself. Sad but true, girls don't see a lone guy in a bar and think "Wow! That guy's got ginormous balls for being alone in a bar"

Instead they see it as "That guy doesn't have any friends".....and thus, no value.

But it's cool; Prove me wrong. Post a video of yourself walking up to a tabled set of about 5 hot girls, and "demonstrating value". ... soon being seated with them and laughing and carrying on with them and having them ask you all about your self and touching you.

If I see that, I will apologize for everything and admit that I am wrong about this whole deal.

Your back to the Corey Wayne stuff, I have to admit that he does come across as a very weak beta male; very soft-spoken and almost effeminate; and I can't see this guy getting any kind of ass and there is nothing out there to prove it. It's just him sitting in front of a, like the guy said kind of a sports conference type wallpaper, with cheesy music and graphics and just talking into a camera for 20 minutes.

Maybe I'm missing something here, maybe I'll understand it all after my $1,000/hr SPAM session with him! Lol.

Decent infield coaches charge about a quarter of that for roughly three to four hours hardcore constant coaching in real life places like the mall and on the street, with full feedback.

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You can't be mad at that. Smart business is smart business. He probably makes just as much with his SPAM sessions than those infield coaches do and doing less work. He actually may have been inspired by the 80/20 rule.

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I don't think there's any need for me to comment on those suggestions independently. All which is obvious is this...

Self-styled Monets of Muff... "dating coaches," "master PUAs" and other soothsayers of life, love and happiness are a dime-a-dozen on the internet. The efficacy of the suggestions that of all of these people offer is completely unverified and they cannot really be held accountable for anything they tell you. There's no education available on the topic... no Supremo-PUA University, except perhaps some research into sociology, biology and psychology (and other areas) ... which is often either misunderstood, misapplied or misquoted by all of the above people. Perhaps on purpose.

All you're paying for, or not, is someone's opinion on a very wide subject. You better hope they are citing sources or explaining themselves extensively.
Are you really suggesting that one person on YouTube is going to make all men stop hitting on women and/or change how they behave around/with women? This guy's reach is going to get THAT big? Come on, that's the biggest bunch of malarkey that I've heard in a while.

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This is a good, balanced post.

With regard to PUA being all just varieties of opinions, I get it.

I don't mean to hijack my own thread here; it's still on topic.

I would just like to have seen the days when people were apparently getting laid with an 80% routine / 20% just regular talking interaction. I don't know, personally I think that aspect of the book "The Game" was a work of fiction. In my area, a coach I spoke to said "It was basically back in the 90's when guys were going around spouting routines and having success with that.

But PU, and that book in particular, seem to make it look like this was way more recent.

Was pickup ever really like that? Did those days exist..?. Where it was like, "Say this, okay then say this, now clinch the deal by saying this and you score!"

About Corey Wayne being that big of a figure and making guys stop hounding girls, I don't know. With all of the videos he has, and then know-nothings recommending him by word of mouth, to an attractive chick who doesn't want to be hit on by unattractive guys, that's a godsend!

Yeah, sure, one guy can only get so big and have so much reach, but every little bit counts.

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If you have that mindset,you have already lost. Before my current GF, I'd hit bars all the time alone, and actually preferred it.
What kind of dumb ass walks up to five girls? You have to charm all five.

Good luck.

Instead, you pick up on eye contact and IOI, then isolate (on the way to the bathroom, when a girl goes to pay at the bar, cell phone charging station, etc).
Corey seems to focus more on maintaining attraction in relationships, IMHO.

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Corey Wayne is a jackass not worth the attention.

More importantly, poodogr your comment on going out alone...women don't do either. A girl won't think you are ballsy or a loser. Women don't sit there and consciously judge value while interacting. That's something puasalesmen say about their material.

Wayne, Brent smith, and a few others basically advocate laziness. Learning any skill requires practice. Nobody learned to play a violin by holding it motionless waiting for the instrument to make a noise. LeBron James has talent but that guy still was practicing free throws every day as a kid.

The wait and see bullshit comes from the same false mental frame of "outcome independence."

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haha, okay.

Also, I think you're mixing pickup game and "keeping attraction" game for a girl you've been hitting it off with. Two different approaches.

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