I've been watching the PickUp 101 videos "Charismatic Conversations" (it's like 15 hours long so it's an exercise in stamina among other things). His views differ from some of the more conventional methods in a variety of ways, but one of the most interesting points he makes is that you should never accept a girl's phone number. He says that if you aren't charming and interesting enough to set up a date right there on the spot then you are never going to be able to do it over the phone. What do you think of this school of thought?

I think whoever said that is a moron

He is setting a pretty high standard. I think you should take the number if you can't get her to go on a date right there. He also seems like an arrogant fuck. (just the right attitude.)

Some guys like to set really high standards and basically make the game as difficult as possible, so that you can achieve anything. If you want to go that way, instead of building up to that after a while, then that's definitely one way to go about it, but you're mostly not gonna have much success until you get good at it, then it should all come together.

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after listening to more of it, what he's saying actually makes a lot of good sense to me. If the girl isn't sure she wants to see you again when you're new and exciting and able to use facial expressions and kino and all the other tools and your disposal, then there's little chance that a phone conversation is going to convince her otherwise. Girls will give their number out to a guy that they might not want to date. Taking her number and calling her later might not ruin your chances with a girl that is interested, but it's going to make you waste your time on girls that might not be as interested... why spend all day calling or emailing 10 girls that may or may not be interested when you could focus on the 1 or 2 that you KNOW are?

He says that you should say something like "oh, you're really cool, we should hang out sometime" and if she's enthusiastic about it then you should set up a time to go do something low key like getting coffee. If she's not that excited or she says "well, here I'll give you my number instead" he says that you should say "well you don't seem that interested, have a nice night" and walk away. This does two things... first, it alleviates any fear she might have that you're some kind of creepy stalker and you're perfectly willing to walk away from her. Second, it makes her think "well shit, that guy was pretty cool... maybe I AM interested." Later on you can go up to them again and say "hey guys, did you miss me?" and try one more time.

I think I decided that I like his take on it, but it certainly takes balls.