Both DJ and Arch are talking in extremes to make their points.

I think what Arch is saying, is MUSCLES are attractive and better than just being fit. And muscles dont = look like a bodybuilder or a disgusting roided out dude. I think Arch is talking about being muscular and DJ is talking about real body builder physique. Likewise, DJ looks to be comparing it to being fit, Arch is taking that as a slob.

Truth is, I think both of you are talking about the same physique as ideal or close to. If fit for you DJ means, the guy looks average with a little tone, then I'd say Arch is correct if he's talking about muscular physique over that. If you're talking about being fit has having some muscles, then its actually close to Arch's ideal. I know guys who are "fit" and that means nothing, because I dont know if you're talking about a guy who looks just healthy ie not fat or skinny or you're talking about a guy who looks like he works out, he just isnt a roided out dude.

My 2 cents, if you took your shirt off at the bar would a woman think "Nice" then thats ok. If you with your shirt off at the bar, a woman wouldnt think anything, she wouldnt be disgusted by manboobs nor disgusted by ribs, then you could still be a fit person, but the first guy has a good advantage. I just dont know what you're definition of "fit" is.

there're tons of women thus tons of preferences.
body builder get lots of sex, moderately muscular guys get sex too.

its not one or the other, both full closes.

i always see we overlook obvious things

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That's what I'm talking about. Brad Pitt/Hugh Jackman body type versus plain old average Joe. Unless he's Kevin Costner in his prime (just skinny, not much muscle) or some famous musician, the jacked guy is going to have an advantage when you factor in even brain/personality/value.

It's the difference between hooking up with hot 20-somethings in your 40's, and meeting your fate of just fucking girls your age, haha. And that fucking sucks.

Be what you want to attract.

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I know this girl and if she has free time, she'd spend it in the gym working out. She loves working out so much that she pretty much dates other gym nuts like herself. It's something that she values and prefers guys that exude that same value. That's how it is with most things. If a girl values stability, she's probably going to go for the educated guy with the good job, before the gym rat. If she likes to party, she's probably going to go for the guy that parties just as much as she does. The gym rat may only get one of those three girls, but if he's a gym rat with a good job and likes to go out, he'll get all three with ease if he's good with women.

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a women will be with a body builder today, then an average build guy next week, then A Skinny guy tomorrow

strive to have the highest social fitness as possible

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Though being fit sure helps;)

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A few years? I don't believe it takes that long unless you are working the same muscles out every day or not eating enough. And if that is the case, well there are sups.

steroids don't just give you muscles, they only help you recuperate faster. Also what you gain on them you lose the gains unless you cycle all year round which is stupid as hell.

Kinda made laugh here. You have the best under 5 sentences of air head advice I've seen on these forums. Even other people try to give it a whirl to come up with some crazy scenarios. But not you, you keep it concise and hilarious.

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