If your face is at least above average, and you really work out for a few years and get an impressive body (not just fit but to the point where even guys are impressed), you wear fitted clothes and park yourself at a fun club or bar with dancing, you'll get some girls who will come up to you and want to fuck you from your physique alone. Some will be hot, some will not. You wont need game and youll get alot of leeway for ONS. So if youre willing to put in the diet and workouts for that for a few years then fine.

If however you want more choice and to improve the aspects of your life Dragula described, imo you'd do better. So you can work out extremely hard, become a beefcake and get those women without much effort as you want, or you can improve the other areas of your life and decide who you want to talk to.

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That's a load of BS. Girls are turned OFF by the bodybuilder types. I only have anecdotal evidence from YouTube interviews/questions of/to females from years ago, however. I can find links if someone wants to see this stuff. The only exception is muscle fetishists. A small minority for sure.

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No, because a six pack is pretty to look at and biologically pleasing.

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Wrong. Brain scans have shown over and over that women are not stimulated by visuals like us, nowhere close. The replication idea is bunk too, because sex comes about from a choice after multiple neural processes.

Some girls like big muscles and so you get their attention, but some don't and dismiss that same guy. He just doesn't notice them. But the science is there. This entire thread is mental bukkake by guys wanting to justify hours in the gym and money spent on supplements when just a bit better verbal game and practice would have done the same.

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Christ, can you be more of a hipster right now?

Bruh. Bruh. Bruuuuh. Looks dont matter bruh. Trush me mate. Looks? nah. Game bro. Do you even? Game.
Same results. You can be a fatass couch potato. But if you have game bro, if you have game, you too will be fucking a Victoria's Secret model, tonight bro.

You're delusional. And worst of all, you're invoking pseudoscience nonesense as actual science. The hell is this? dtrak all over again?

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Bzzt, you're wrong! There are entire fields of research on this material which you've blatantly chosen to ignore.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1971-02285-001

https://books.google.com/books?id=qQXE_ ... &q&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr ... &q&f=false

Where did you google that psychobabble bullshit? Next time you are at mom's Tupperware party, whip your dick out. I bet you get some 'stimuli'.

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Seeing a lot of long winded excuses in this thread for not hitting the gym.

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lol!

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I've got to think of excuses to TAKE a fricken day off from the gym and I m still struggling 3 months straight

Wow. Talk about being a run-of-the-mill contrarian hipster.

Less mental bukkake, more so a case of you making excuses to not put in the work necessary to make you a better man. Talk about refusing to take any accountability and projecting your insufficiencies to the outside world.

Nobody will care should you choose to remain sedentary on a couch and remain unattractive to the vast majority of women. The world will go on, time will go on just fine.

Lets just draw a line here.

A better body will make you more attractive too women. But it is not the only quality that women are attracted too.

Some women who are confident enough in the moment and have a good enough reason for doing so will open you if they like the way you look (usually when they're with a group of friends). But most of the time it is your job to approach and open girls if you're attracted to them because you can't expect them to take the lead even if they are attracted to you.

A good idea to get more success with women would be to balance your life so that in the long run you do improve your body but you also develop other qualities and traits that are attractive to women, and also develop a pick up skillset so that you can open and seduce girls that you like whenever you see them. Which is what pick up is all about.

It's pretty simple really.

To be honest. Anyone with any sense would of face palmed himself to many of DJ_Z's posts already. So nothing new there.

Ah, the old false dichotomy.

Reality: being really out of shape, havING bad breath or wearing out of style clothes (think Jean shorts in 2016) gets a negative knee jerk social reaction.

Reality: looking like a bodybuilder will get negative, positive and neutral reactions based on women's individual taste. And even getting a good social knee jerk reaction doesn't get you laid, because the decision making process isn't that basic.

Reality: your looks is just about reaching a point where she would be fine with being seen with you in public. Anything past that has little to no effect on your chance of success picking up a woman.

Reality: when you meet a woman's threshold of social frame, emotional stimulation, and sexual arousal, she will want to fuck you. Your arm circumference does not click those three keys into place. Nor do your abs.

So to argue my claim with terms like fat ass couch potato is flawed. You used a very obvious fallacy. The truth is in an idea called diminishing marginal returns. I'd suggest you read it, but the vibe of this thread has become one that suggests a lot of people here resent intelligence and aren't a big fan of books.

/pauses to wait for the next strawman

Man some dudes are angry to find out their gym time isn't affecting their game as much as other positive qualities.

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Well, you've convinced me.

Women don't like muscles. They prefer men in their 30'as and 40's with sloped, caved-in shoulders and undefined man breasts.

Looks never have, and never will play a role in attraction. The real key is to convince women via talk and text the best you can.

*heads back to the couch to play Mario Kart and smoke a bowl*

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